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  • The rest of the schedule

    We need to win most of the rest of our games in March to assure a playoff spot. Our schedule in April is looking pretty tough. With the exception of Boston the rest of our games in March are all easily winnable. April is different story we play 6 games and only the Bucks and Wizards have losing records.


    Sat, Mar 19Memphis Grizzlies @ Memphis
    Mon, Mar 21New Jersey Nets @ New Jersey
    Wed, Mar 23Charlotte Bobcats @ Charlotte
    Fri, Mar 25Sacramento Kings vs Sacramento
    Sat, Mar 26Detroit Pistons @ Detroit
    Mon, Mar 28Boston Celtics vs Boston
    Wed, Mar 30Detroit Pistons vs Detroit

    Fri, Apr 1Milwaukee Bucks vs Milwaukee
    Sun, Apr 3New Orleans Hornets @ New Orleans
    Wed, Apr 6Washington Wizards vs Washington
    Fri, Apr 8Atlanta Hawks vs Atlanta
    Sun, Apr 10New York Knicks vs New York
    Wed, Apr 13Orlando Magic @ Orlando

  • #2
    Re: The rest of the schedule

    These next 3 out of 4 road games will be interesting. We definitely need to take care of Charlotte and Milwaukee, don't want to give either team a game.

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    • #3
      Re: The rest of the schedule

      saw this on http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba...could-be-over/

      DWill could have played his last game this season (or ever) for the Nets. From the Star-Ledger): “The Nets are well aware of the pain in Deron Williams’ right wrist, and have been trying to manage the situation and nurse him through to the end of the season. But after Williams’ wrist took another jarring blow tonight, coach Avery Johnson said the team is going to have to re-evaluate its position on his status. ‘I don’t think we can continue every game at this rate,’ Johnson said after the Nets dropped their second straight, a 110-95 decision to the Bucks at the Bradley Center.”

      Nets have been playing well lately, and if Dwill is out, that definitely makes things a lot easier.

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      • #4
        Re: The rest of the schedule

        I think we need to go at least 6-7. If we get 6 more wins that would force Charlotte to go 9-5 since we have the tiebreaker. I don't think they can do that, especially if we beat them in our remaining game.

        Milwaukee would have to go 9-5 also and that's if they win our remaining game and have the tie breaker.

        Looking at the schedule I see us favored against both Wash. and Sac. as they are home games, and losing to Boston. I think the remaining games could go either way. Normally I would say we would lose the last game against Orlando too, but they will probably be resting their players. So if we just win 4 of the 9 toss ups we have our 6 wins.

        @Memphis.........=
        @New Jersey......=
        @Charlotte.........=
        vsSacramento.....win
        @Detroit............=
        vsBoston...........loss
        vsDetroit...........=

        vsMilwaukee......=
        @ New Orleans..=
        vsWashington....win
        vsAtlanta..........=
        vsNew York .......=
        @Orlando..........=

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        • #5
          Re: The rest of the schedule

          At least we only have two more back-to-back nights. Tonight, and then later @ Detroit.

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          • #6
            Re: The rest of the schedule

            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
            At least we only have two more back-to-back nights. Tonight, and then later @ Detroit.
            And I was thinkin Memphis was Sunday....

            This isn't gonna be televised via FSN Indiana is it?
            "man, PG has been really good."

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            • #7
              Re: The rest of the schedule

              New York and Orlando will basically have assured playoff spots by the time we get around to playing them. If we really need to win those games to secure the 8th seed we will.

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              • #8
                Re: The rest of the schedule

                Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post

                This isn't gonna be televised via FSN Indiana is it?
                Nope.. Just remembered. ****.

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                • #9
                  Re: The rest of the schedule

                  Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                  New York and Orlando will basically have assured playoff spots by the time we get around to playing them. If we really need to win those games to secure the 8th seed we will.
                  Only 4.5 games separate the 4 and 5 seeds. Only 3.5 games separate the 5-7 seeds, so with Orlando in the 4 seed and NY in the 7 seed moving up on 6th, these teams may well be jockeying for position. Orlando has gone 6-4 in March so far and plays a fairly tough schedule down the stretch, but I would say that of the group, Orlando is more likely to rest players than any other team above us.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The rest of the schedule

                    With the Bobcats only a game back and Bucks now a game and a half, these next 4 games are HUGE!

                    I think they're the key on whether we're a playoff team or deserve to be a playoff team. 4 games against teams we're ahead of in the standings.

                    Nets without Deron Williams, and Bobcats team that without Gerald Wallace. Kings with not Tyreke Evans (though they're destroying the TWolves right now) and a Pistons team that we've struggled against and need to prove we're better than.

                    We need to go 4-0 in this stretch, 3-1 is acceptable if the Bobcats aren't the 1, but if this team wants to prove they belong in the playoffs, and believes in themselves like their coach believes in them, they'll take care of business this week

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                    • #11
                      Re: The rest of the schedule

                      Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                      With the Bobcats only a game back and Bucks now a game and a half, these next 4 games are HUGE!

                      I think they're the key on whether we're a playoff team or deserve to be a playoff team. 4 games against teams we're ahead of in the standings.

                      Nets without Deron Williams, and Bobcats team that without Gerald Wallace. Kings with not Tyreke Evans (though they're destroying the TWolves right now) and a Pistons team that we've struggled against and need to prove we're better than.

                      We need to go 4-0 in this stretch, 3-1 is acceptable if the Bobcats aren't the 1, but if this team wants to prove they belong in the playoffs, and believes in themselves like their coach believes in them, they'll take care of business this week
                      If we can't win 3 to 4, we don't deserve it. We'd be a playoff fraud. I think it also bears heavily on our potential off-season moves strategy. This is short-term make or break for this year's playoffs, but potentially the compostition of our roster going forward. I would go so far as to call them must-win games on multiple levels.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                      -Emiliano Zapata

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                      • #12
                        Re: The rest of the schedule

                        I actually made a mistake, both the Bobcats and Bucks are 1.5 games back. Identical records.

                        Pacers have 12 games to go Bobcats and Bucks have 13.

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                        • #13
                          Re: The rest of the schedule

                          The games against Milawaukee and the Bobcats are going to be very telling of who wants it the most. I really want us to make it in and win a few, it would go a long way in helping out the bargaining position of this team. If Granger wants more help he better explode down this stretch and in the playoffs. Can't just dog it and expect people to pick up your slack and then expect people to feel sorry for you.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The rest of the schedule

                            Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                            I actually made a mistake, both the Bobcats and Bucks are 1.5 games back. Identical records.
                            Identical records yes, but we have the tie breaker with the Bobcats, so they have to win one more game than we do. They could beat us and if both teams won their remaining games they still finish behind us. As for the Bucks they are only one game behind us in the loss column. That means they, like us are in charge of our own destiny.

                            In other words, as of right now, if the Bucks beat us, they will be tied with us and they will have the #1 tiebreaker below. If we beat them, then the tie breaker goes to #2 below.

                            a. Two Teams Tied
                            (1) Better winning percentage in games against each other.
                            (2) Better winning percentage against teams in own division (only if tied teams are in same division). We are 7-6, Milwaukee is 5-7.
                            (3) Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
                            (4) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
                            (5) Better winning percentage against teams eligible for playoffs in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
                            (6) Better net result of total points scored less total points allowed against all opponents (“point differential”).

                            As of right now, we have to beat the Bucks. We still have six games to play before we play them though. Things could change for the better or worse.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The rest of the schedule

                              Originally posted by TheDon View Post
                              The games against Milawaukee and the Bobcats are going to be very telling of who wants it the most. I really want us to make it in and win a few, it would go a long way in helping out the bargaining position of this team. If Granger wants more help he better explode down this stretch and in the playoffs. Can't just dog it and expect people to pick up your slack and then expect people to feel sorry for you.
                              All 3 teams play each other one more time, so it could be very telling. We play at Charlotte and home against the Bucks. Bucks and Bobcats play in Charlotte.

                              We already hold the tiebreaker over the Bobcats winning the 1st 3, but need a clean sweep to keep some distance between us. Bucks have the tiebreaker on us, but a win a Conseco and we can even the series.

                              I'm excitement for the team and excited as a fan. It has been awhile since the Pacers were in a playoff race, I hope we can get in and have some buzz surrounding the team entering the off-season.

                              The off-season is also shorter for those playoff teams!

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