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  • #16
    Re: The rest of the schedule

    I think it's more than just slipping into the last spot. We'll feel a real sense of accomplishment if we can pick up a few more wins compared to the last few seasons. Limping into the playoffs by virtue of beating out teams playing really badly doesn't do much for me. But I think this team has potential to beat the teams it has to beat now, as well as surprise a couple of other teams before all is said and done. Of course, I've said this a couple of other times this season....

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    • #17
      Re: The rest of the schedule

      Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
      I think we need to go at least 6-7. If we get 6 more wins that would force Charlotte to go 9-5 since we have the tiebreaker. I don't think they can do that, especially if we beat them in our remaining game.

      Milwaukee would have to go 9-5 also and that's if they win our remaining game and have the tie breaker.

      Looking at the schedule I see us favored against both Wash. and Sac. as they are home games, and losing to Boston. I think the remaining games could go either way. Normally I would say we would lose the last game against Orlando too, but they will probably be resting their players. So if we just win 4 of the 9 toss ups we have our 6 wins.

      @Memphis.........=
      @New Jersey......=
      @Charlotte.........=
      vsSacramento.....win
      @Detroit............=
      vsBoston...........loss
      vsDetroit...........=

      vsMilwaukee......=
      @ New Orleans..=
      vsWashington....win
      vsAtlanta..........=
      vsNew York .......=
      @Orlando..........=
      The Pacers are way too inconsistent. We get smoked by the Raps but then beat the Bulls...theyre too unpredictable
      "So, which one of you guys is going to come in second?" - Larry Bird before the 3 point contest. He won.


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      • #18
        Re: The rest of the schedule

        Not to get cliche, but im looking at it one game at a time. Just beat new jersey.

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        • #19
          Re: The rest of the schedule

          I think 6 wins gets us in. Only way it doesn't is if we lose to the Bucks - I still; think they have the best chance of passing us. Bogut is back and they are capable of playing well and their schedule is easier than the Bobcats

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          • #20
            Re: The rest of the schedule

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            I think 6 wins gets us in. Only way it doesn't is if we lose to the Bucks - I still; think they have the best chance of passing us. Bogut is back and they are capable of playing well and their schedule is easier than the Bobcats
            Bogut might be back on the court. But if you have watched him this year he is medicore because his injury. I dont think he will ever be the same again.

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            • #21
              Re: The rest of the schedule

              Actually I am wrong about who has the tougher schedule between the Cats and the Bucks.

              Bobcats have some tough games
              @Boston
              @Orlando
              @Miami
              But their home schedule is pretty easy

              Bucks have:
              @Orlando
              @Miami
              @OKC
              But they also have home games with the Bulls, and Sixers.

              Really if the pacers don't make the playoffs they have no one to blame but themselves as they have a 1 game lead and have an easier schedule. if the pacers beat the Bobcats and the Bucks - it will probably only take 2 or 3 additonal wins to get in. The Bucks game is huge because whoever wins that will have the tie-breaker
              Last edited by Unclebuck; 03-21-2011, 10:23 AM.

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              • #22
                Re: The rest of the schedule

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                Actually I am wrong about who has the tougher schedule between the Cats and the Bucks.

                Bobcats have some tough games
                @Boston
                @Orlando
                @Miami
                But their home schedule is pretty easy

                Bucks have:
                @Orlando
                @Miami
                @OKC
                But they also have home games with the Bulls, and Sixers.

                Really if the pacers don't make the playoffs they have no one to blame but themselves as they have a 1 game lead and have an easier schedule


                That's true but Indiana doesn't have a cakewalk either. They still play Boston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and Orlando. They really need to win all the games vs. lesser opponents and win vs. the Bucks and Bobcats

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                • #23
                  Re: The rest of the schedule

                  I think they'll finish the last 12 games 7-5.

                  They're too unpredictable to try and guess which 7 games they'll win and which 5 they'll lose. I think they'll win 1 or 2 we don't expect (Boston, Atlanta, or Orlando) and lose 1 or 2 we wouldn't expect (Charlotte, Sacramento, Detroit).

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                  • #24
                    Re: The rest of the schedule

                    @New Jersey......W
                    @Charlotte.........W
                    vsSacramento.....W
                    @Detroit............W
                    vsBoston...........L
                    vsDetroit...........W

                    vsMilwaukee......L
                    @ New Orleans..L
                    vsWashington....W
                    vsAtlanta..........L
                    vsNew York .......L
                    @Orlando..........L

                    this is what i expect. if we lose to charlotte we have to beat bucks.

                    6 wins will be enough imo and i think we might win one of the last two games.
                    Last edited by xtacy; 03-21-2011, 10:41 AM.

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                    • #25
                      Re: The rest of the schedule

                      Originally posted by Pacerfan View Post
                      That's true but Indiana doesn't have a cakewalk either. They still play Boston, Atlanta, New Orleans, and Orlando. They really need to win all the games vs. lesser opponents and win vs. the Bucks and Bobcats

                      Hawks are playing terrible right now and from a couple of reports/rumors over the weekend, seems like the players are starting to tune out their coach. Not sure if trading Bibby was not popular with the hawks players but they have been losing ever since and in some cases embarassing losses.

                      The Magic game is the very last game of the season - the last game of the season is the least predictable game of the year

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                      • #26
                        Re: The rest of the schedule

                        This next short stretch is maybe the most important of the season. The pacers are inconsistant, we all know this, so i'm going to refrain from predicting the specific wins and losses the rest of the season and simply guess that we finish 8-4.

                        Yes I realize that that is optimistic, but i'm high on the direction the team is going in sans the memphis game, which imo was as much of a schedule loss as any game has been this year.

                        I do think that we'll beat Charlotte win we play though, they have no answer for roy, and tyler can eat diaw (Ty Thom isn't back yet correct?)

                        The milwaukee game is tougher though, as they are a much better team than charlotte, are getting healthy, and have a little voice constantly buzzing in their head named scott skiles, who won't accept anything less than top effort.

                        However even if we lose the milwaukee game 8-4 should get us comfortably into the playoffs with a record of 38-44.

                        This team is going to give me a coronary though, it's possible we destroy boston, atlanta and orlando while losing to sacto and washington.

                        Just let the difference between 38-44 playing such an inexperienced lineup, with their best years ahead of them, and the same record achieved on the backs of Posey and Dunleavy. It feels really, really good, and if we make the playoffs I think that the fans can get behind the team and be the jumping off point for sustained attendance progress next year. (that is provided we don't play the bulls and our fans can't get tickets because half the place drove down from chicago)
                        Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                        • #27
                          Re: The rest of the schedule

                          I'm worried about the implications that that in the playoffs vs. not in the playoffs might have with the future of the franchise. I'm also worried about making some bad decisions with our cap space and using it just to use it to appease fans. If we can get only one solid guy in here this summer than so be it, keep the remaining cap space we have to be able to facilitate trades and just pick and choose our places would be wise. I just don't want us to end up like Detroit and bring in Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva for some ridiculous contract just to use our cap space up.

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                          • #28
                            Re: The rest of the schedule

                            Originally posted by TheDon View Post
                            I'm worried about the implications that that in the playoffs vs. not in the playoffs might have with the future of the franchise. I'm also worried about making some bad decisions with our cap space and using it just to use it to appease fans. If we can get only one solid guy in here this summer than so be it, keep the remaining cap space we have to be able to facilitate trades and just pick and choose our places would be wise. I just don't want us to end up like Detroit and bring in Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva for some ridiculous contract just to use our cap space up.
                            If Bird is still around then I think this is the least of our worries. The man is obsessed with coming out comfortably ahead valuewise in trades, perhaps passing up good deals occasionally to bank on a great one.

                            His tendency is definitally to be conservative unless the deal is a knockout.

                            However if we were to sign someone like Randolph I don't think it would fall into the impulse signing category, guy is balling on a winning team.
                            Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                            • #29
                              Re: The rest of the schedule

                              Milwaukee game will be a playoff game! Great experience for them!

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                              • #30
                                Re: The rest of the schedule

                                Favorable schedule or not I do think we r good enough to get in but just doesn't seem like it's meant to be chances r bucks get 8spot just like all the analyst seem to know about 30 games in just seems odd how they seem to know every year just a opinion hope I'm wrong

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