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    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/count...int_guard.html

    "Eddies on the team and he knows that," said Carlisle. "Hes here. We want him here. We signed him to a two-year deal because we feel hes at a point where hes ready to come into his own as an NBA player. He also gives us a little something the other two guys dont. Hes more of a true point guard. One of his real strengths is getting up and pressuring the ball full-court for 94 feet, and we will call on him to do that for us at times when we get stagnant or if I feel were just not performing at the level we need to perform at."
    The reference to Eddie Gill in bold above surprised me. Carlisle doesn't consider Tinsley a "true point guard"?
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    He probably meant he's a better defender than Tinsley, who know

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    That is surprising...because I have to agree with blanket...I find Tinsley to be a true point guard.

    Maybe Rick is referring to Jamaal's timely "3's"...

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    Yeah, I'm hoping he means on defense, otherwise I'm disturbed

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    Yeah, I'm hoping he means on defense, otherwise I'm disturbed
    As I said elsewhere, I believe Rick subscribes to UB's line of thinking, that a PG's first job is on defense, not offense.
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    Are you guys joking. At first I thought you all were kiding, but I guess not.

    Go back and re-read the quote and think.

    Carlisle is talking about the two backups. He is not referring to Tinsley

    See it is obvious.

    I dont think there is any such thing as a true defensive point guard.

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    Are you guys joking. At first I thought you all were kiding, but I guess not.

    Go back and re-read the quote and think.

    Carlisle is talking about the two backups. He is not referring to Tinsley

    See it is obvious.

    I dont think there is any such thing as a true defensive point guard.



    OK, I reread the quote:

    "Eddies on the team and he knows that," said Carlisle. "Hes here. We want him here. We signed him to a two-year deal because we feel hes at a point where hes ready to come into his own as an NBA player. He also gives us a little something the other two guys dont. Hes more of a true point guard. One of his real strengths is getting up and pressuring the ball full-court for 94 feet, and we will call on him to do that for us at times when we get stagnant or if I feel were just not performing at the level we need to perform at."
    Yes, he's referring to Eddie Gill - obviously. No one suggested he's referring to Tinsley. The question is how he can say Gill is "more of a true point guard" than "the other two guys." That's why people are speculating that Carlisle may think Gill being a better defender than Tinsley makes him more of a "true point guard" -- stupefying as that is.
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    Gill's more of a true PG than AJ or Wright - the "other two guys".

    That comment has nothing to do with Tinsley. He's clearly a "true PG". That's so patently obvious that even Isiah could see it.
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    Gill's more of a true PG than AJ or Wright - the "other two guys".

    That comment has nothing to do with Tinsley. He's clearly a "true PG". That's so patently obvious that even Isiah could see it.
    How is it clear in the article that he is referring to Wright instead of Tinsley? Prior to that quote, no mention is made of Wright, only of Tinsley and AJ. So it's a logical inference, based on the way the article was written, that by the "other two guys" he means Tinsley and AJ. In fact, the only mention made of Wright in the entire article is in the last paragraph, and then only to say that "it isn't likely the Pacers will keep four point guards."

    The idea that he meant Wright and AJ instead makes more sense from a basketball standpoint, but we have to make a an assumption about intent that contradicts the structure of the article to believe that.

    So, either the article is poorly written to the point of misinformation, or Carlisle thinks Gill is more of a true point guard than anyone else on the team.


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    For the benefit of everyone playing along, here's the entire article (empahsis added):

    Slimmed-Down Tinsley
    Set to Resume Command
    By Conrad Brunner | Sept. 27, 2004


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    A position of great uncertainty a year ago has stabilized. Jamaal Tinsley enters training camp as an entrenched starter, and expectations are high for the fourth-year floor general.

    Though last season was statistically the worst of his career, with career lows in minutes (26.5) and assists (5.8), it may also have been the most significant. After losing the job to veteran Kenny Anderson to begin the season, Tinsley reclaimed it when Anderson was injured and maintained a strong grip thereafter, earning the confidence of the coaching staff in the process.

    "Jamaal showed me last year he has a very high basketball IQ," said Coach Rick Carlsle. "He understands the game. When you talk with him about Xs and Os and strategy, a lot of times hes thinking way beyond what you expect of a young point guard. He has great ideas and he has some real leadership qualities. The real challenge for him this year is to take that knowledge of the game and translate it into greater consistency and to take his game to a higher level. I see no reason why he cant do that."

    Anthony Johnson, a seasoned veteran who provides leadership, defense and timely shooting, was re-signed to serve as Tinsley's primary backup.

    "Obviously, he played at a high level for us last year, both in the regular season and the playoffs as our guy off the bench," Carlisle said. "He brings us stability, he brings us some real leadership qualities in the locker room and hes one of the more experienced guys we have at that position. Its important to have guys like A.J., who have been to the Finals a couple of times (with New Jersey) and know what its like to compete at that level. Thats one of the many reasons we felt it was important to get him back."

    Veteran newcomer Eddie Gill replaces departed free agent Jamison Brewer as the third man in the rotation. His quickness and ability to play pressure defense could carve him something more than an end-of-the-bench role. The Pacers are the fourth NBA team for the 26-year-old, and the first to assure him of a roster spot heading into camp.

    "Eddies on the team and he knows that," said Carlisle. "Hes here. We want him here. We signed him to a two-year deal because we feel hes at a point where hes ready to come into his own as an NBA player. He also gives us a little something the other two guys dont. Hes more of a true point guard. One of his real strengths is getting up and pressuring the ball full-court for 94 feet, and we will call on him to do that for us at times when we get stagnant or if I feel were just not performing at the level we need to perform at."

    Carlisle said it isn't likely the Pacers will keep four point guards among the 15 potential roster spots, which isn't good news for second-round pick Rashad Wright. A defensive specialist who proved a timely scorer at Georgia, Wright will have to outplay one of the veterans to earn a job.
    The entire premise of the article is that Tinsley, as a true PG with a high basketball IQ, is the unquestioned starter going into camp.

    How can Rick's make the comments I bolded about Tinsley's bball IQ and then turn around and say, in essense, "Eddie Gill is more of a true PG than our starter"?

    The article is poorly written, I'll give you that. But the alternate hypothesis that Carlisle is saying Gill is more of a true PG than Tinsley just doesn't make any sense to me, either.
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    Are you guys joking. At first I thought you all were kiding, but I guess not.

    Go back and re-read the quote and think.

    Carlisle is talking about the two backups. He is not referring to Tinsley

    See it is obvious.

    I dont think there is any such thing as a true defensive point guard.



    OK, I reread the quote:

    "Eddies on the team and he knows that," said Carlisle. "Hes here. We want him here. We signed him to a two-year deal because we feel hes at a point where hes ready to come into his own as an NBA player. He also gives us a little something the other two guys dont. Hes more of a true point guard. One of his real strengths is getting up and pressuring the ball full-court for 94 feet, and we will call on him to do that for us at times when we get stagnant or if I feel were just not performing at the level we need to perform at."
    Yes, he's referring to Eddie Gill - obviously. No one suggested he's referring to Tinsley. The question is how he can say Gill is "more of a true point guard" than "the other two guys." That's why people are speculating that Carlisle may think Gill being a better defender than Tinsley makes him more of a "true point guard" -- stupefying as that is.
    Jay, I guess my post was as confusing as Rick's quote.

    When Rick is saying the "two guys we have he is referring to AJ and Wright. "The two backups" .

    He is not referring to Tinsley as one of the "two guys"


    Rick is saying that Gill is a more true point guard than either AJ or Wright.

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    Where did Btown's post go? Did it disappear? Did he delete it (and if so, how?)
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
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    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
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    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Dunno. It was either a glitch, or he felt like deleting it for some reason (which we admins can do) I think I made a request to able to eventually allow people to delete their own posts again like they used to be able to do.

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