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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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  • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

    Originally posted by dohman View Post
    If Tyler can continue to do this the rest of the season dare I say that Danny might of found is batman..
    Tyler continues to play and grow like this, he might BE Batman, and DG can be Robin, his more suitable role

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    • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

      very curious to know what granger's responsibility was on the final play with .3sec left. defensively he was in no mans land. if his assignment was to protect the basket, he was late in defending the lob and if his assignment was melo, well melo was 15ft away from him wide open. just curious to know what exactly he was told to do on that defensive possession.

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      • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

        Originally posted by croz24 View Post
        very curious to know what granger's responsibility was on the final play with .3sec left. defensively he was in no mans land. if his assignment was to protect the basket, he was late in defending the lob and if his assignment was melo, well melo was 15ft away from him wide open. just curious to know what exactly he was told to do on that defensive possession.
        Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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        • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

          Originally posted by throwbackpacer View Post
          Tyler continues to play and grow like this, he might BE Batman, and DG can be Robin, his more suitable role
          Except for his limited experience, Tyler is the one guy I would think Danny would have to respect if he got on Danny for slacking off. Tyler walks the walk like no one else, and therefore has an indisputable right to expect full effort from all of his teammates.

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          • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

            Originally posted by daschysta View Post
            did you not watch the last play? melo was granger's man and danny initially followed melo but then stopped in the key like he was instructed to help defend the basket. it's a fair question considering the publicity melo is getting for complaining he wasn't passed the ball being so wide open. melo was granger's man and granger didn't defend him. by nba rule, a shot can be legally attempted with .3sec left in the game. only under .3sec does the nba deem it impossible. what part of wanting to know what granger's instructions were on the final play deserve a "rolleyes"?

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            • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

              Originally posted by croz24 View Post
              did you not watch the last play? melo was granger's man and danny initially followed melo but then stopped in the key like he was instructed to help defend the basket. it's a fair question considering the publicity melo is getting for complaining he wasn't passed the ball being so wide open. melo was granger's man and granger didn't defend him. by nba rule, a shot can be legally attempted with .3sec left in the game. only under .3sec does the nba deem it impossible. what part of wanting to know what granger's instructions were on the final play deserve a "rolleyes"?
              Seriously dude, your really nitpicking here. Your trying to find something on Danny to complain about. The defense was set up to not allow an easy avenue to the basket for a tip in, the most realistic chance NY had at successfully getting a shot of with .3 seconds left. Its nearly impossible for Melo to have gotten a decent shot off from 15 feet behind the 3 point line with .3 seconds left.

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              • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                Seriously dude, your really nitpicking here. Your trying to find something on Danny to complain about. The defense was set up to not allow an easy avenue to the basket for a tip in, the most realistic chance NY had at successfully getting a shot of with .3 seconds left. Its nearly impossible for Melo to have gotten a decent shot off from 15 feet behind the 3 point line with .3 seconds left.
                it's not about nitpicking. the melo story has been one of the major stories today. they have replayed the last possession over and over. at no point was i saying anything negative about danny. as i stated, my curiosity is from a basketball perspective...what was he instructed to do on the last play? yes, it's nearly impossible to get the shot off, but this is a top 10-15 player in the league we were leaving wide open at the top of the key with by nba rules enough time to get a clean shot off. the replay shows danny initially following melo, but then stopping in the paint. nothing wrong with a fan trying to understand the mindset of the team in a situation like that.

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                • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                  Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                  it's not about nitpicking. the melo story has been one of the major stories today. they have replayed the last possession over and over. at no point was i saying anything negative about danny. as i stated, my curiosity is from a basketball perspective...what was he instructed to do on the last play? yes, it's nearly impossible to get the shot off, but this is a top 10-15 player in the league we were leaving wide open at the top of the key with by nba rules enough time to get a clean shot off. the replay shows danny initially following melo, but then stopping in the paint. nothing wrong with a fan trying to understand the mindset of the team in a situation like that.
                  Sure its within the rules, but the physical limitations cannot be ignored. Derek Fisher's shot with .4 seconds left was probably the fastest done and he was in a better position with a better shot. Melo was a good 10-15 feet behind the 3 point line, the chances of him hitting a shot from that spot are pretty low. The chances of him hitting a shot in .3 seconds are even lower. The chances of him hitting a shot from 10-15 feet behind the 3 point line with .3 seconds left are extremely low. It was a much better decision for Granger to stay where he did because a player getting open there has a much better chance of hitting the shot from there.

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                  • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                    I thought the rule was .4 for a catch and shoot, anyway?

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                    • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                      Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                      Sure its within the rules, but the physical limitations cannot be ignored. Derek Fisher's shot with .4 seconds left was probably the fastest done and he was in a better position with a better shot. Melo was a good 10-15 feet behind the 3 point line, the chances of him hitting a shot from that spot are pretty low. The chances of him hitting a shot in .3 seconds are even lower. The chances of him hitting a shot from 10-15 feet behind the 3 point line with .3 seconds left are extremely low. It was a much better decision for Granger to stay where he did because a player getting open there has a much better chance of hitting the shot from there.
                      Ditto there is no argument here. If they want to try and shoot from that far out with .3 seconds let them, just don't give them an easy tip in.

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                      • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                        Originally posted by Peck View Post
                        My hopes would be that Tyler smashes a one handed dunk on Garnett and yells "Efff me??? No Eff you Kevin".

                        This would be in response to last season when Lester Conner asked Kevin Garnett if he would talk to our rookies (A.J. & Tyler) & big bad Kevin's response was "F*** your rookies".
                        That would make my whole ****ing year...
                        http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                        "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                        • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                          Originally posted by El Pacero View Post
                          Your post and excitement for your first NBA game was awesome to read. I was talking about this tonight (so not calling you out)... Hardcore Pacers fans (like a few on PD) who watch and talk about the Pacers all the time, but never or rarely go to games... I live about 25 minutes south of you so trying to figure out what can be done to get guys like you to another game! (besides lots of wins.) Balcony is like $10 & it seems like you had a good time? Like will be back again?

                          I used to prefer to watch games at home, really prefer, until I started going to every game and then I couldn't stop (or save any money).
                          Sure wish I could afford season tix, but with only one income, I'm often forced to cheer from the den.

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                          • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                            Originally posted by michealwilliams4 View Post
                            From there, only about ten teams won 60 games without a contributing top five pick, and I believe the 90's Jazz and '04 Pacers were the only ones without a contributing top ten pick. There's simply no substitution.
                            MAJOR STATISTICAL FLAW ALERT


                            MOST TEAMS HAVE TOP 5 GUYS, EVEN THE LOSERS.

                            Why? Because higher picks tend to linger in the NBA regardless, and the bad teams keep on getting them in the lottery.

                            The Pacers HAVE A TOP 5 PICK ON THE ROSTER - Mike Dunleavy.

                            You might as well say it's critical to get a guy over 6'6" on the team because so many championship teams have them.


                            In fact here's my challenge to anyone - list ALL NBA TEAMS currently without at least 1 top 10 or top 5 pick (2 different lists). Don't forget your Darkos and Kwames.



                            And on top of that, Boston has #5 Garnett BUT....they got him by trading the #15 pick Al Jefferson. Just one of many examples were lower picks become players good enough to be traded for higher picks.

                            Plus let's not even play the "name them" game on great lower picks or guys brought in without high draft picks. We haven't even got into guys like Parker, Manu, Rajon Rondo, Paul Milsap, Brad Miller, Artest, AK47, Peja (when he was an AS level player), David West, Ariza, Boozer.

                            A fair chunk of elite teams are built off guys from well outside the top 10.




                            Yes, you need to know what you are doing in the draft, but then I'd say that's true for most winning teams in general. The Pacers have been most injured by the GSW trade and the deals given to JO and Tins, and teams like the Clippers don't instantly win games with some high draft picks (year after year).

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                            • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                              Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                              I thought the rule was .4 for a catch and shoot, anyway?
                              No, .3

                              You can tip in a shot less than that because the clock can't start till it touches your hand, instantly bouncing off it.

                              Melo easily could have caught and shot the jumper. No fake, no dribble of course, but he was wide open. A good shooter wide open is just as good as the chances of lobbing into traffic.

                              Also Danny was the guy "defending" Melo on the game tying bucket.

                              Danny was better, but he's got a long way to go when it comes to turning away any SFs. DJones has been a much better defender, and on nights when he's making shots he can be more valuable than Danny.



                              I like Danny and think he can work back to AS status, but liking the guy doesn't mean I can't criticize aspects of his game.

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                              • Re: NY/Pacers postgame thread

                                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                                Thanks for the post and research.

                                So that means we either have to luck out and win the lottery or tank to get a top5 pick. Does your research include signing a top 5 pick or trading for a top 5 pick?

                                For example, would acquiring a top 5 pick like Mayo count?
                                Sorry for kind of "bumping" this after the Celtics game...

                                Yes, signing/trading for top five pick does count. It helps in the case of the Lakers specifically for not only Shaq, but Pau (and Odom) as well.

                                And, Seth, while I do recognize there is a flaw in the 60-win bracket for the sheer volume of top five picks in the league, I still don't think it takes away the necessity of having to either draft/sign/trade for a player who's generally taken in the top five, because those are the guys that pan out more often than they don't, though if you're signing or trading for them, you should have a pretty good idea that they are or they aren't.

                                But I don't want it to be thought that this is just about having a top five pick on your team. I'm not talking about Darko Milicic, Pervis Ellison, or even Jonathan Bender in this. It's about viable production that isn't going to be matched by an average replacement, one of the say 3-5 most important players on a team, depending on the depth of production on a team, something Dunleavy is borderline with at best (he is some nights, he isn't others).

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