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  • #46
    Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

    Who turned that 15-yr old poster loose again...?

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    • #47
      Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

      I actually like the idea of becoming the 04 pistons minus Ben Wallace, if we can see rests while the player are young and not in their mid 30s

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      • #48
        Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
        except we are missing a Ibaka, Perkins, Durant, Westbrook

        Morway himself said we arent buliding the team that way. He said they are trying to bulid like the 04 Pistons which will be an epic fail.
        Hold up, what? could you provide me with anything where he said something like this please?

        Am I the only one who missed this?

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        • #49
          Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

          Originally posted by PacersPride
          Lets put it too a vote.

          Who here believes Legend (if returning) will lead the Indiana Pacers to 50/5?

          Dude that seems highly optimistic to me. That's a hard thing to do, but i will say this. I like these bold prediction threads. Why, because you have nothing to lose, except taking a little teasing, but if it comes true you look like a genius. I just hope the Pacers are in the playoffs every season for the next 5 years.

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          • #50
            Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            Dunleavy at 5-6m per year please shoot me
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            Boom! Agent Michael Scarn!

            Sorry for the triple posts...multi quote confuses me...
            Last edited by focused444; 03-14-2011, 10:53 PM.

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            • #51
              Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

              Originally Posted by pacer4ever
              except we are missing a Ibaka, Perkins, Durant, Westbrook

              Morway himself said we arent buliding the team that way. He said they are trying to bulid like the 04 Pistons which will be an epic fail.
              Hold up, what? could you provide me with anything where he said something like this please?

              Am I the only one who missed this?
              I saw pissons and overlooked it. Bird building the roster in the same manner as the 91-00 Indiana Pacers teams is a better comparison.

              Dude that seems highly optimistic to me. That's a hard thing to do, but i will say this. I like these bold prediction threads. Why, because you have nothing to lose, except taking a little teasing, but if it comes true you look like a genius. I just hope the Pacers are in the playoffs every season for the next 5 years.
              Believe me, folks remember threads like these, I realized it when I stated Brandon Rush is an inconsistent (3pt) shooter. Which in my estimation he still is, but that shipped has done sailed.

              If Bird sticks believe me I will be bumping this thread, ive subscribed to it so it will be easily located.

              I might be wrong so be it, but if I am right the Bird critcs who have no clue can get bent. I mean that with all due respect.

              I am hoping a few of them show up on here like aaronb, nice guy but totally disagree with his POV regarding Legend.


              Please kill me now (vnzla81)
              Vnzla81,

              is the best contribution you can make to the thread. if so, then you may be right about your poll option.

              from posts ive read i believe your a bird critic, but yet never offer any reasons for your position. in the "will Bird be back" thread I asked if you would please elaborate and i do not remember seeing a response.

              If you do not believe Bird can accomplish leading this team to 50/5 then man up and say so, if not then with all due respect sit on on the sidelines and let the big boys have an adult conversation at PD.

              Thank you
              Last edited by PacersPride; 03-15-2011, 06:04 AM.

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              • #52
                Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                Originally posted by focused444 View Post
                Hold up, what? could you provide me with anything where he said something like this please?

                Am I the only one who missed this?
                in his interview with JMV the day after the trade deadline.

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                • #53
                  Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                  The only way Bird leads us to 5 straight years of 50 win seasons is if he gets in the Delorian and floors it to 88mph and begins to suit up for the Pacers. That or the league increases the number of games to 120 per season.

                  Even during the Pacers glory days, I don't believe we ever had 5 straight years of 50 wins or more.
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                  • #54
                    Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                    Originally posted by Diamond Dave View Post
                    Even during the Pacers glory days, I don't believe we ever had 5 straight years of 50 wins or more.

                    Indiana Pacers averaged 50 wins for 10 seasons. 94/95 - 03/04. Pacers Franchise won 504 games in 10 seasons.

                    * 1998 lockout season win % .660 per 82 games equals 54 wins, included in total wins above.



                    2003-04 Indiana 61 21 .744
                    2002-03 Indiana 48 34 .585
                    2001-02 Indiana 42 40 .512
                    2000-01 Indiana 41 41 .500
                    1999-00 Indiana 56 26 .683
                    1998-99 * Indiana 33 17 .660
                    1997-98 Indiana 58 24 .707
                    1996-97 Indiana 39 43 .476
                    1995-96 Indiana 52 30 .634
                    1994-95 Indiana 52 30 .634



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                    • #55
                      Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                      For what it's worth I agree that there's no better person for the job then Larry Bird. I do think he'll have us in contention within 3 years if he decides to stay. I wish he'd come out and say what he wants to do, not just that he'll sit down with Simon at the end of the season. That or it would be nice for Simon to stand up and say what he wants to do. I would hope he has the business sense to want to keep Larry in charge.
                      Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                        Bird can totally lead us to 50 wins.


                        He just needs 2 season's to accomplish it.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                          Excellent Thread
                          You stated your opinion gave some facts and stated why you feel that way.


                          Remember This
                          The Pacers win 1 game after a 6 game losing streak . I don't know if you have seen the movie What about Bob, but baby steps. I would love to finish above .500 for the next 3 seasons. 50 wins is a lot for a team that Bird himself called out as unproffessional in the Star last Friday.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                            Originally posted by focused444 View Post
                            Hold up, what? could you provide me with anything where he said something like this please?

                            Am I the only one who missed this?
                            my bad I told you the wrong interview it was on pacers crate here is the link


                            http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/originals/

                            it is on that page just click on crate with Morway

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                            • #59
                              Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                              Originally posted by Diamond Dave View Post
                              The only way Bird leads us to 5 straight years of 50 win seasons is if he gets in the Delorian and floors it to 88mph and begins to suit up for the Pacers. That or the league increases the number of games to 120 per season.

                              Even during the Pacers glory days, I don't believe we ever had 5 straight years of 50 wins or more.
                              The Pacers have 5 seasons in NBA history of 50+ wins though without the strike that would probably be 6. At best if you assume that strike season is 50 wins it gets you 50+ wins in 5 of 6 years. Stretch it to the 61 win team and you get all 6 in a span of 9 years.

                              So this group, under Bird, is about to go on an unprecedented run of winning that blows away with Miller's crew could pull off?

                              Well anything can happen. I mean this thread it out to 3 pages already and I never would have expected that.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Going on record PacerNation: Bird will win GM of the Year Award

                                Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                                For what it's worth I agree that there's no better person for the job then Larry Bird. I do think he'll have us in contention within 3 years if he decides to stay. I wish he'd come out and say what he wants to do, not just that he'll sit down with Simon at the end of the season. That or it would be nice for Simon to stand up and say what he wants to do. I would hope he has the business sense to want to keep Larry in charge.
                                I agree, maybe the uncertainty of the CBA is making the Simons unwilling to commit at this time.?


                                Originally posted by aaronb View Post
                                Bird can totally lead us to 50 wins.


                                He just needs 2 season's to accomplish it.
                                I agree. The following season after next this team will win 50 if Bird chooses the right coaching staff. I believe he will because this team has talent where previously they did not when SVG rejected the head coach position. Mike Brown is my top realistic candidate right now. Sloan/ JVG i doubt are interested.

                                I thnk Brown will be a good coach for the Pacers. He does have ECF and NBA Finals experience, even as an assistant.


                                Originally posted by Lou Bega View Post
                                Excellent Thread
                                You stated your opinion gave some facts and stated why you feel that way.


                                Remember This
                                The Pacers win 1 game after a 6 game losing streak . I don't know if you have seen the movie What about Bob, but baby steps. I would love to finish above .500 for the next 3 seasons. 50 wins is a lot for a team that Bird himself called out as unproffessional in the Star last Friday.
                                Thank you Lou for taking the time to read my comments.

                                Lou, I totally get what your saying. I remember the Pacers early 90's and how difficult it was to reach the second round. Tough series with Boston, then Orlando. It doesnt happen overnight. That the part i feel i realize and some other do not.

                                Folks calling Hibbert and wanting to trade a 7 foot center with a good work ethic and that is very young away because he is having a slump. DC may not be Steve Nash but give the kid a chance. he only played significant minutes last year for 37 games, same amount as a college schedule, new coaches, new teammates, new offenses, 2nd year player, hitting a sophmore slump of sorts. I think he will be good under a well structured coaching staff.

                                to summarize, the baby steps have been the past 3 seasons. Birds "3 Year Plan." Now it is ready to begin competing. New Coaching staff (Love Vogel btw), we need experience...

                                Next season this team will be ready to walk. The season following begin to run, and continue running consistently for the next 5 seasons. I dont think Bird stays longer than 3 more honestly, but I hope like many here that Pritchard is his eventual replacement.

                                This team is very inexperienced or "unprofessional," not to be critical of Vogel but this team needs a more experienced head coach. I believe Vogel will have an opportunity again and will do a very good job. With hopefully a solid coaching staff, and add some vets this offseason, let this teams chemistry begin to develop. We have had constant roster turnover for several seasons straight.

                                Well, sorry for the long-winded speech Lou, appreciated your comments.

                                Go Pacers!

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