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Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

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  • Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

    Originally posted by John Hollinger, ESPN
    Up-and-Coming Players to Watch
    ...
    Before we hit that point, we have time to look at some players toiling in relative obscurity who could make a major impact next season. I'm not talking about the John Walls and DeMarcus Cousinses of the league. I mean players who are relative unknown but have started to turn the corner for what are in most cases lesser teams...

    Tyler Hansbrough, Pacers
    Hansbrough did virtually nothing the first two months and briefly fell out of the Pacers' rotation entirely, but lately his play has been more encouraging.

    One thing new Indiana coach Frank Vogel did was give Hansbrough a consistent role, playing him about half the game off the bench at power forward. That strategy has allowed Hansbrough to play more freely on offense, and he's averaging nearly a point every two minutes on the season and proving adept at drawing fouls. But to be a long-term starter, he needs to raise his shooting percentage from 43.0 percent.
    ...
    Paul George, Pacers
    If there is one reason to watch the Pacers this year, it's this guy. While the Griffin-Wall-Cousins rookie trio still hogs all the attention, it's become increasingly clear that George was flat-out stolen at No. 10 by Indiana. A long, silky finisher who looks as if he could easily ramp up to the go-to scorer role, George is shooting 56.7 percent on 2-pointers.

    His main shortcoming has been that he has taken a ton of 3-pointers and struggles to make them. That talent should develop in time, as his shooting stroke looks solid, and if it does the 20-year-old will be nigh unguardable.
    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insid...PERDiem-110308
    (Insider Only)

    As always, good pick ups by Hollinger. The longer article disproves two common anti-Hollinger rants on this board, that he doesn't watch games and that he hates the Pacers.
    Last edited by bulldog; 03-08-2011, 02:09 PM.
    2010 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champion Baltimore Bulldogs

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    Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

    What?! Hollinger hates the Pacers! This cannot be!

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    • #3
      Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

      lol Hanbrough looks so serious in the picture.. but thats Tyler I guess...
      Why so SERIOUS

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        Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

        Now that I have gotten my sassy comment out of the way, I really like that these guys are getting some level of national attention. The blurb on Paul George is especially refreshing to hear. Obviously he's not saying anything didn't already know, but it's nice to see him being recognized by the national media.

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          Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

          Originally posted by cdash View Post
          What?! Hollinger hates the Pacers! This cannot be!
          LMAO

          Thats what I was thinking

          The world is officially coming to an end, or hell has frozen over

          Sittin on top of the world!

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            Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

            he's averaging nearly a point every two minutes on the season and proving adept at drawing fouls. But to be a long-term starter, he needs to raise his shooting percentage from 43.0 percent.
            3rd on team in FGAs per minute (.401)

            8th on the team in Points Per Shot (1.19)

            10th on the team in FG% (43%)

            12th on the team in eFG% (43%) - bonus .5 FGM for each 3PM

            43% from a PF is HORRIBLE. Not kinda bad. Like out of the NBA bad. Unless you are 3pt type PF. Guys like Dale or Tony Davis were 50%+ types. This is because most PFs are able to supplement their regular shooting with power dunks or scores at the rim.

            You can laugh this off as a quirk, but Tyler did the same thing last season too.


            BTW, highest FGA/Min - Danny at .453
            Highest PPS - Josh 1.39
            Highest FG% - Josh 54%
            Highest eFG% - Josh 58%, 2nd is Dun at 56% (gotta give him his due)
            Biggest surprise - D Jones is 2nd in PPS at 1.36 and is shooting 50.8%, 53.6% eFG



            BTW, on a totally different angle we've got the long line of ***** ****** who think that Rush is some disaster on offense in comparison to Dunleavy. Rush being unaggressive or a poor shooter or something.

            Dun .302 FGA/Min
            Rush .299 FGA/Min, virtually identical

            Dun 55.8% eFG
            Rush 51.6% eFG (certainly a drop, but still 4th on the team)

            Dun has him on PPS clearly, 1.29 to 1.20 which is a fair chunk. But to tie it back into this thread, how is Rush's 1.20 PPS worse than Tyler's 1.19? (hint: it's not)

            Yet people love Tyler drawing points and lament Rush passing up shots, as if that is a bad thing. For all of Tyler's aggressive play and foul drawing, he's not as efficient as Rush is at scoring the ball.



            I don't hate Tyler or love Rush. I hate that people hate Rush and love Tyler when in fact they should feel pretty neutral about both.
            Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 03-08-2011, 04:45 PM.

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              Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

              One important thing to remember about Tyler is that he goes into the paint with the mentality that he is either going to score or get fouled trying....often he draws a TON of fouls but cant always convert in the process......this effects his %......honestly Im ok with it because he is such a good free throw shooter.....if we can get 2 pts AND a foul on the opposing teams player then pencil me in for this every time.

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                Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

                Originally posted by Wylder1324 View Post
                One important thing to remember about Tyler is that he goes into the paint with the mentality that he is either going to score or get fouled trying....often he draws a TON of fouls but cant always convert in the process......this effects his %......honestly Im ok with it because he is such a good free throw shooter.....if we can get 2 pts AND a foul on the opposing teams player then pencil me in for this every time.
                Except when he's fouled...his missed shot isn't counted. Isn't that the case?
                "man, PG has been really good."

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                  Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

                  Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                  3rd on team in FGAs per minute (.401)

                  8th on the team in Points Per Shot (1.19)

                  10th on the team in FG% (43%)

                  12th on the team in eFG% (43%) - bonus .5 FGM for each 3PM

                  43% from a PF is HORRIBLE. Not kinda bad. Like out of the NBA bad. Unless you are 3pt type PF. Guys like Dale or Tony Davis were 50%+ types. This is because most PFs are able to supplement their regular shooting with power dunks or scores at the rim.

                  You can laugh this off as a quirk, but Tyler did the same thing last season too.


                  BTW, highest FGA/Min - Danny at .453
                  Highest PPS - Josh 1.39
                  Highest FG% - Josh 54%
                  Highest eFG% - Josh 58%, 2nd is Dun at 56% (gotta give him his due)
                  Biggest surprise - D Jones is 2nd in PPS at 1.36 and is shooting 50.8%, 53.6% eFG



                  BTW, on a totally different angle we've got the long line of ***** ****** who think that Rush is some disaster on offense in comparison to Dunleavy. Rush being unaggressive or a poor shooter or something.

                  Dun .302 FGA/Min
                  Rush .299 FGA/Min, virtually identical

                  Dun 55.8% eFG
                  Rush 51.6% eFG (certainly a drop, but still 4th on the team)

                  Dun has him on PPS clearly, 1.29 to 1.20 which is a fair chunk. But to tie it back into this thread, how is Rush's 1.20 PPS worse than Tyler's 1.19? (hint: it's not)

                  Yet people love Tyler drawing points and lament Rush passing up shots, as if that is a bad thing. For all of Tyler's aggressive play and foul drawing, he's not as efficient as Rush is at scoring the ball.



                  I don't hate Tyler or love Rush. I hate that people hate Rush and love Tyler when in fact they should feel pretty neutral about both.
                  Seth----

                  If we get a starting PF this off season who would you want coming off the bench, Tyler or Josh?

                  I'm torn and personally and IMO your a subject matter expert so I would love to hear your view.

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                    Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

                    Originally posted by Wylder1324 View Post
                    One important thing to remember about Tyler is that he goes into the paint with the mentality that he is either going to score or get fouled trying....often he draws a TON of fouls but cant always convert in the process......this effects his %......honestly Im ok with it because he is such a good free throw shooter.....if we can get 2 pts AND a foul on the opposing teams player then pencil me in for this every time.
                    WRONG!! A missed shot while being fouled, does not count as an attempt.

                    It has absolutely no effect on his shooting percentage.
                    Last edited by Mackey_Rose; 03-08-2011, 04:56 PM. Reason: Ozwalt beat me to it.

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                      Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

                      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post

                      I don't hate Tyler or love Rush. I hate that people hate Rush and love Tyler when in fact they should feel pretty neutral about both.
                      I am not sure what spark that little rant but I think the difference to me is that its hard to get behind Rush because he has all the physical tools to be our starter and he hasn't gotten it done IMO. We all chalk that up as either mental or he is flat out unwilling to put in the work to be a dominant offensive pg.

                      Tyler isn't a starter but you never question his toughness or willingness to reach his potential as a NBA player however limited that may be. The same can't be said of Rush IMO.

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                        Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

                        Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
                        Except when he's fouled...his missed shot isn't counted. Isn't that the case?
                        I don't know where the ridiculous notion that because Tyler is fouled a lot it hurts his shooting percentage. It actually helps it. A ton. If you are fouled on a shot attempt, it only counts as a shot attempt if you make it. If you miss and are fouled it is not an attempt.
                        "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                        -Lance Stephenson

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                          Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

                          I think the thing that bothers me a bit is that for some reason folks see Tyler as a finished product after basically a year on the floor.

                          I think his style won't change much, certainly, but his decision making - which is what we are talking about - is only going to improve.

                          With Rush, though, we are talking about style - people expect him to be something aggressive on offense, which he never has been and probably never will be. In all honesty, if the other scoring options in the starting lineup are doing their jobs (Granger, DC, and Hibbert as scorers), I really think Josh can provide some of the motion that Dun has provided, which leaves Rush free to be the last option in scoring but the defensive focal point.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

                            After two years, I'm still not sure what Seth is trying to say.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Hollinger's All-2012 Team Features Hansbroughand George

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              3rd on team in FGAs per minute (.401)

                              8th on the team in Points Per Shot (1.19)

                              10th on the team in FG% (43%)

                              12th on the team in eFG% (43%) - bonus .5 FGM for each 3PM

                              43% from a PF is HORRIBLE. Not kinda bad. Like out of the NBA bad. Unless you are 3pt type PF. Guys like Dale or Tony Davis were 50%+ types. This is because most PFs are able to supplement their regular shooting with power dunks or scores at the rim.

                              You can laugh this off as a quirk, but Tyler did the same thing last season too.


                              BTW, highest FGA/Min - Danny at .453
                              Highest PPS - Josh 1.39
                              Highest FG% - Josh 54%
                              Highest eFG% - Josh 58%, 2nd is Dun at 56% (gotta give him his due)
                              Biggest surprise - D Jones is 2nd in PPS at 1.36 and is shooting 50.8%, 53.6% eFG



                              BTW, on a totally different angle we've got the long line of ***** ****** who think that Rush is some disaster on offense in comparison to Dunleavy. Rush being unaggressive or a poor shooter or something.

                              Dun .302 FGA/Min
                              Rush .299 FGA/Min, virtually identical

                              Dun 55.8% eFG
                              Rush 51.6% eFG (certainly a drop, but still 4th on the team)

                              Dun has him on PPS clearly, 1.29 to 1.20 which is a fair chunk. But to tie it back into this thread, how is Rush's 1.20 PPS worse than Tyler's 1.19? (hint: it's not)

                              Yet people love Tyler drawing points and lament Rush passing up shots, as if that is a bad thing. For all of Tyler's aggressive play and foul drawing, he's not as efficient as Rush is at scoring the ball.



                              I don't hate Tyler or love Rush. I hate that people hate Rush and love Tyler when in fact they should feel pretty neutral about both.
                              I love Hansbrough because of his effort, not necessarily his productivity or decision making.

                              I hate Rush because the effort never seems to be there.

                              If I could have Rush give Hansbroughs effort, I would probably love Rush because he'd make some plays on hustle alone.

                              Just my take on it.

                              Effort goes a long way for me.
                              Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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