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    Default 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    Over a year and a half ago, Anthem, one of the best and most underutilized posters on this site made a poll asking in three years, who would better between Josh and Tyler.

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=47703

    Now that we are more than half way into that time frame, I thought I would get an update. The numbers of that first poll were overwhelmingly in Tyler's favor. I expect that to stay the same now. But I thought I would post some unbiased statistics from this season since Tyler and Josh have had essentially the same opportunity. However, Josh has played a few more minutes per game so I have adjusted their averages to per 48 minutes. This provides the most accurate comparison I could come up with. I will also post some advanced stats courtesy of basketball-reference.com for further evaluation. My personal favorite stat is Win Share (WS) as all that really matters is how much a player helps you win games. WS is the amount of wins a players creates versus an average player. OWS is wins created from offense. DWS is wins created from defense. Everything else is pretty self explanatory. Please take all these into account as well as what your eyes have told you before answering the question.

    Josh 2010-2011 per 48:

    FGA: 11.2
    FGM: 6.1
    PTS: 15.7
    REB: 11.3
    AST: 4.8
    ORB: 3.1
    DRB: 8.1
    STL: 1.5
    BLK: 1.7
    TOs: 2.7
    FTA: 3.5
    FTM: 2.5
    3PA: 2.3
    3PM: 0.8
    A:TO: 1.8
    PTS+(AST*2): 25.3
    FG%: 54.1
    FT%: 70.5
    3PT%: 37.9
    Rating (ESPN): 17.96
    Scoring Efficiency: 1.378



    Tyler 2010-2011 per 48:


    FGA: 19.1
    FGM: 8.2
    PTS: 23.0
    REB: 12.0
    AST: 1.3
    ORB: 5.1
    DRB: 6.9
    STL: 1.0
    BLK: 0.8
    TOs: 2.6
    FTA: 7.9
    FTM: 6.4
    3PA: 0.0
    3PM: 0.0
    A:TO: 0.5
    PTS+(AST*2): 25.6
    FG%: 43.0
    FT%: 81.3
    3PT%: 0.0
    Rating (ESPN): 14.48
    Scoring Efficiency: 1.156

    Advanced Josh:

    PER: 15.8
    TS%: 60.6
    eFG%: 58.0
    ORB%: 7.3
    DRB%: 18.6
    TRB%: 13.0
    AST%: 15.1
    ORtg: 116
    DRtg: 104
    OWS: 1.9
    DWS: 1.7
    WS: 3.7
    WS/48: .147 (league avg. is .100)

    Advanced Tyler:

    PER: 15.2
    TS%: 50.5
    eFG%: 43.0
    ORB%: 12.0
    DRB%: 15.8
    TRB%: 13.9
    AST%: 4.4
    ORtg: 105
    DRtg: 106
    OWS: 0.9
    DWS: 1.0
    WS: 1.9
    WS/48: .100 (league avg. is .100)

    As you can see, the numbers are awfully close. My personal choice is Josh because he brings more of the things I value (wins, efficiency, ball movement, team play) in the game than Tyler. Josh is also more than 16 months younger than Tyler. Josh has been in the league longer but I imagine his mileage is lower since he barely played his first three years while Tyler was logging huge minutes at the collegiate level but that is probably not relevant. With all this information, and what you have seen with your own eyes, what's your answer now?
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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    is there an other choice? or none of the above? or I dont like ethier of there games?

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    is there an other choice? or none of the above? or I dont like ethier of there games?
    Those are your options.

    Those are the options from the previous poll.

    If you can't choose one, don't vote.
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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    Tyler gets my vote. Josh is a quiet, hard worker who will have a nice dunk or two every couple nights, and a nice pass too. Decent defender and rebounder. Tyler is a hard worker as well, but he works harder and throws his body around and puts it on the line for a rebound every time and hustles and stays with it.. he can score in more than one way and needs more minutes in my opinion. (not trying to take anything away from Josh)

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    Tyler. He'll flat out win games by himself with his energy, scoring, and rebounding and his mid range jumper will be deadly off the bench. That's his role.

    Josh will be fine, but he won't have huge games like Tyler will. His lack of assertiveness and lack of boxing out will probably always be a problem of his.

    I don't think Tyler has a lack of potential issue. He is remarkably better from his rookie year. In two years his jumper will probably be automatic and then that will open up his drives. He also has a couple of post moves too.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    Neither will be in an NBA rotation? They aren't THAT bad

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    Neither will be in an NBA rotation? They aren't THAT bad
    Thats why I didnt like the chocies

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    Thats why I didnt like the chocies
    Explain this to me. From my angle, this is really simple: Which player do you think will be better than the other in 18 months? That's great if you don't think either of them will be that good, but which one do you feel will be better?

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    Thats why I didnt like the chocies
    It is simply of the two, which will be better.

    The third choice, which nobody should choose now, is only there because it was last time.

    Not hard.
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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    Explain this to me. From my angle, this is really simple: Which player do you think will be better than the other in 18 months? That's great if you don't think either of them will be that good, but which one do you feel will be better?
    It isn't rocket science.
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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    Neither will be in an NBA rotation? They aren't THAT bad
    Not so long ago, that wasn't considered too far out there at all. Just ask Unclebuck.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    BWD, what is TS%?

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    BWD, what is TS%?
    True Shooting Percentage

    True shooting percentage is a measure of shooting efficiency that takes into account field goals, 3-point field goals, and free throws.
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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    Tyler.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    Tyler.

    Sorry, I just can't stand Josh. I don't see what he brings to this team other than passing. And the way we shoot the ball, the passing doesn't do us much good.

    Maybe his passing can be utilized somewhere with a team that can actually score.

    Still, Tyler will be better IMO. He works harder, and just has a better skillset.
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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    I'll say Josh. He's good in transition and has good vision. His shooting percentage is solid but he's by no means a scorer. He's just an efficient plus player that if he could defend or rebound a bit better would be an above average starter.

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    It is simply of the two, which will be better.

    The third choice, which nobody should choose now, is only there because it was last time.

    Not hard.
    Not to be a pene, BRush, but I choose not to vote in part because I think both players will improve yet remain quite different in their skill sets. (Therefore, I vote for neither ... sort of.) If I were to define "better" as "more productive" -- using the analyses that I generate -- then I'd venture to say that Hansbrough will be more productive because I believe he'll be getting more minutes than Josh (wherever he ends up, and whomever he backs up). But in terms of who I think is a better player, overall, or whose game I prefer, or even who I think might be more useful to the Pacers in 18 months? I'd say JMac.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    I don't know if I see Tyler consistently starting for a team. His style of game offensively... I don't know it just screams specialty player.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    I don't know if I see Tyler consistently starting for a team. His style of game offensively... I don't know it just screams specialty player.
    Nothing wrong with being a bench player.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    Statistically, McBob is better. He fills up the stat sheet slightly more with his assists and is more efficient.

    Watching the games, it seems to me that Hansbrough has the bigger positive impact. I like his superior physicality and aggressiveness. He's a better rebounder and has bursts of offensive explosions that McBob could never match. I also think he's a better defender due to the aforementioned physicality and aggressiveness. He's very disruptive.

    I don't think either will ever be a top-10 power forward, but I could see both being mid-tier starters in the future.

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    Not so long ago, that wasn't considered too far out there at all. Just ask Unclebuck.
    Just read the original thread I linked in the first post.
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    Statistically, McBob is better. He fills up the stat sheet slightly more with his assists and is more efficient.

    Watching the games, it seems to me that Hansbrough has the bigger positive impact. I like his superior physicality and aggressiveness. He's a better rebounder and has bursts of offensive explosions that McBob could never match. I also think he's a better defender due to the aforementioned physicality and aggressiveness. He's very disruptive.

    I don't think either will ever be a top-10 power forward, but I could see both being mid-tier starters in the future.
    Do you think it is fair to say, that in about every other game he also has the bigger negative impact?

    It seems like he's either good, or really bad.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

    My initial reaction to the question was this. Do I care ?
    Answer: No, I don't.

    I tried to answer the poll anyway, but I couldn't. I have no idea
    whatsoever which of those guys will be the better player in 18 months.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    Do you think it is fair to say, that in about every other game he also has the bigger negative impact?

    It seems like he's either good, or really bad.
    You could say this pretty much about almost anybody on the team.

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    Default Re: 18 months from now, who's the better player? Hansbrough or McRoberts?

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    You could say this pretty much about almost anybody on the team.
    Probably true, to a point. It just seems like Hansbrough's peaks and valleys are a lot more severe than most guys.

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