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    Default was the collison trade a mistake?

    before everybody jumps on me, just answer how many more games we have won this year minus Troy Murphy?

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    Default Re: was the collison trade a mistake?

    I would have just released Troy Murphy from the team, so getting anything of value (like a promising young point guard) is just money in the bank.
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    We are "winning" by just trading Murphy away from us, "the score board is bizzillion to cero"

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    Default Re: was the collison trade a mistake?

    DC is only in his 2nd year, so no.

    You prefer TJ Ford to start? Are you saying AJ could start? In my opinion, I don't see either doing well in that situation.

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    Default Re: was the collison trade a mistake?

    hmmmm, nope.

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    Default Re: was the collison trade a mistake?

    While right now I am not very happy with Collison when I think about the other option (keeping Murphy) I become much more happy with him.

    If nothing else Darren is a great trading piece for the future and as has been stated he is still only in his second year so there is still hope.


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    That'd be ... no.

    Nein. Non. Iye. Nyet. No. Na.

    Uh-uh, not on your life, hell no, nope, nah.
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    I don't think I would call it a mistake, but it isn't the big win some had hoped. The team would have more cap space next year if the trade didn't occur because of Posey's contract. I don't think they'll need the extra space anyway - the FA crop is limited. You could argue that he may have been worth more at the deadline, but we had plenty of other expirings to move and didn't.

    I think we did fine value wise, but it's similar to the drafting of Tyler - he may be worth the asset, but he's not really better than what you have. PD has endless Josh and Tyler debates because neither is a quality starter. The same will show to be true for DC and AJ. We added a backup level PG and we already had one - we needed a starter. Yes, DC is only a 2nd year player, but his flaws, IMO, will always leave you looking to up grade - he's small, poor defensively, and isn't really a floor general. He's just slightly better than the typical SG in a PGs body.

    The big failure was drafting Tyler instead of Jrue. That effects both positions.

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    How on earth, is trading Troy Murphy for a quality second year point guard (even if he has some major things he needs to work on) a bad move?

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    Default Re: was the collison trade a mistake?

    Of course not. Look at Murphy now.
    DC started pretty well with us, but since the January he's not really getting it done. The only downside on that trade was getting Posey, but we have more than enough cap space this summer anyway.

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    How on earth, is trading Troy Murphy for a quality second year point guard (even if he has some major things he needs to work on) a bad move?
    if you classify Darren Collision as "quality" than you have pretty low standards.

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    i know some disagree with me on the fact i believe Rush is an inconsistent 3pt shooter, or that Scottie Pippen was overrated.. but the next time im crucified for my stance.. at least be thankful i dont post nonsense like this.

    troy murphy is garbage.. even if DC turns out to be nothing better than a bench player, it still saved the Pacers about 7 million dollars over two seasons.

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    What BillS said. This is what I posted back when the trade was announced:

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    I'm not as high on him either, I don't really know if he's much more than a really good backup. That being said, Murphy & Posey is a fair price for him, even as a really good backup. At the very least, he's another asset we could package down the road with Dunleavy or Posey again.
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    And yes both Morway and Bird deserve plenty of credit for this. As d_c mentioned we went from the cost of obtaining Collison being Okafor/Murphy's EC/Rush/#10 to Posey/Murphy's EC. Whether you think Collison is a fringe all-star like UB or if you think he'll max out at an excellent back-up (like I tend to lean) it's still fantastic value.
    Can't say anything (one way or the other) has changed my mind.

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    Huh?

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    We are "winning" by just trading Murphy away from us, "the score board is bizzillion to cero"
    Did somebody say "Cero"?

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    if you classify Darren Collision as "quality" than you have pretty low standards.
    People are so forgetful. Collison has been very solid up until this month. There was a point where he was the Pacer's most consistent player ahead of both Danny and Hibbert.

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    if you classify Darren Collision as "quality" than you have pretty low standards.
    Jesus H.. wtf is wrong with some folks on here. DC is a quality pg, he may only turnout to be a backup point gaurd but he would be a very good one to have.

    im just flippin sick of pacer fans bashing every pacer player they can.

    Roy - he is "garbage" and making fans sick on here
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    Granger - trade him for peanuts


    im waiting for Hansbro, Stephenson, and McBob to be the next guys everyone bashes on.

    this is a young f'ing team, were not gonna win 60 games, and its gonna take time for the team to get better.

    we cant just trade every player b/c they are not a superstar. 60 games into a players first season with this team were ready to say it was a mistake trading for him.. we all know Obrien runs a sh*tty offense for pg's to learn from. collison avg'd 19 and 9 as a rookie next season.

    Lets get an established veteran coach in here first then re-evaluate the young players.

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    if you classify Darren Collison as "quality" than you have pretty low standards.
    I guess I'm having a hard time understanding your definition of quality. Darren's not a great point, but he's the best we've had in a while. He's a second year player that is struggling right now, but he'll figure it out.

    The team as a whole is struggling, you can point to any player and call out what they are doing wrong right now.

    I just don't know how you would think trading an expiring loser like Troy Murphy for Darren Collison could be considered a mistake in any way?

    Also, this team is without JOB, so that is a win already. We are playing the rooks and young guys more minutes, so we are going to take our lumps like any other young team. It's not like OKC won straight away with Durant, it took a couple years and another lottery pick.
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    hindsight is only 20/20, but as it stands it really looks like we traded for the worst starting PG in the eastern conference. I am not saying that Murphy is better than DC, but we could have gotten something better in return for an expiring contract.

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    I guess I'm having a hard time understanding your definition of quality. Darren's not a great point, but he's the best we've had in a while. He's a second year player that is struggling right now, but he'll figure it out.

    The team as a whole is struggling, you can point to any player and call out what they are doing wrong right now.

    I just don't know how you would think trading an expiring loser like Troy Murphy for Darren Collison could be considered a mistake in any way?

    Also, this team is without JOB, so that is a win already. We are playing the rooks and young guys more minutes, so we are going to take our lumps like any other young team. It's not like OKC won straight away with Durant, it took a couple years and another lottery pick.
    the worst starting PG in the east does not equal quality.

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    hindsight is only 20/20, but as it stands it really looks like we traded for the worst starting PG in the eastern conference. I am not saying that Murphy is better than DC, but we could have gotten something better in return for an expiring contract.
    Yes, if you consider the last 8 games a better judgement then the entire year.

    This board makes me glad I didn't have the ability to be an athlete. Some of the expectations. . .sheesh.

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    troy murphy is garbage.. even if DC turns out to be nothing better than a bench player, it still saved the Pacers about 7 million dollars over two seasons.
    The trade was an upgrade in talent AND added that talent to a position of need on the team. DC is a likeable guy and is younger than what we sent out. Good trade.

    Just like the Granger draft pick - not a savior for a franchise type of trade, but a steady improvement in talent.

    We need 3-4 more moves like that to be a very good team. Any time you can upgrade talent (while avoiding headcases), you make the move.

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