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    Default Sounds like Artest fans can breath a little easier today...

    http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/181194-1940-179.html

    Ok, the official mouthpiece has spoken. Montieth is in cover mode with the full blessing of Bird.

    My guess now is that Kravits read the slam magazine article (or had it pointed out to him) & he decided to run with it. His editor let it run for some reason & here we are today.

    Let's all join in a big group hug & hope that Ron can keep it together all season long.


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    http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/181194-1940-179.html

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    Like what else are Bird & Artest gonna say? You're right Peck, company spin.

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    Remember cooler heads prevail and Kravitz will be swept under the rug.
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    Default Re: Sounds like Artest fans can breath a little easier today...

    The fun part about the entire "discussion" was reading back comments on earlier BK pieces, most people now agreeing with him and making him the mouthpiece for the Pacers then had quite a different opinion, I guess it's read how it suits the reader best

    Yes they would not mind trading Ron, but they also said from teh beginning that "close to equal value" was the minimum they wanted back.

    As Bird said, work on the problems, improve and who knows where Ron can end up.

    It does not make sure he will stay, but it does make sure that "minimum value" is entered at the level of Peja and up, no muffins this off-season

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    It is a great day to be alive !!!


    I know, I know what do you expect Bird to say. However, Bird is generally more honest with the media than Walsh is.

    But what I liked about the article is not the stuff about not trading Artest, that is to be expected.

    I loved what Bird said about Artest's game. He said he is one of the top 10 players in the game and if he cleans up a few things he can be a top 5 player, and that Ron is unique. No question about that.

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    I'm not totally convinced about Artest just because of the article, but things somehow seem less gloomy than they were a few days ago. With a guy like Artest it's difficult to predict whether last year was a first step towards getting under control or whether he's reached his limit trying to hold it all in and is about to blow. But he only started fraying right at the end (admittedly at the most crucial juncture) so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and just see how he does.

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    A great day indeed, UB!!!


    I am very happy with Bird acknowledging that Artest is a top 10 player in this league - because I honestly agree with him and have always said that. He is such a valuable asset to any team. I really can't say much - but what a great way to start off the day!

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    I loved what Bird said about Artest's game. He said he is one of the top 10 players in the game and if he cleans up a few things he can be a top 5 player, and that Ron is unique. No question about that.
    Maybe GM's from around the league will love hearing that as much as you did.....hmmmmm.........


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    Default Re: Sounds like Artest fans can breath a little easier today...

    If you read Bird's comments carefully:

    "If you trade Ron Artest, you better get a helluva player back," Bird said. "I'm not going to sit here and tell you we're not going to trade any of our guys because that's not the nature of our business. Anybody can be traded. But I think he's one of the top 10 players in the league. You better get one of the top 10 players back if it fills a need."
    "There's a lot of things that went on, not just Ronnie," Bird said. "You have to stay focused. These guys have never been that far, other than Reggie (Miller) and a few others. We had our problems with Ronnie, but every year it seems he's getting better.
    "Ronnie's a great guy. If we can calm him down a little bit, he'll be fine. He gets frustrated, but everybody does. The only thing keeping him from being one of the top five players in the game is himself."
    You ask any of these guys: 'How good do you think Ronnie is?' " Bird said. "I asked Austin (Croshere) after the season and he said, 'Oh, God, he's unbelievable.'

    "He plays a different game than most people are used to seeing. That's why he's so effective. He can do so many things."
    Its clear that Bird still feels Ron's mental approach to the game is way off. His postive comments were solely related to Ron's talent. I think its obvious that Bird is still weighing the risk and rewards of having patience with Ron. Bird knows the whole story, many posters on here saw Ron's public (in-game) improvement last season and thought that, since he wasn't getting flagrant fouls, he was no longer a problem. Some of us were saying two years ago that the flagrant fouls were only a symptom of a larger, more cancerous problem, not the problem per se.

    Bird is basically saying, "He's an off-court problem, but because he's so talented on the court I still haven't figured out if he's worth keeping. I'd probably trade him if I could get equal value, but his contract is cheap and everyone around the league knows that he's high-maintenance. Since he hasn't really done anything outlandish since I've taken over, I can't justify making any of the available trades right now. So until Rick gets sick of dealing with him every day (which may or may not have happened around the NJ game last season) and threatens to quit, we're going to close our eyes and hope he doesn't fall back into his old patterns."
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    I know, I know what do you expect Bird to say. However, Bird is generally more honest with the media than Walsh is.

    But what I liked about the article is not the stuff about not trading Artest, that is to be expected.

    I loved what Bird said about Artest's game. He said he is one of the top 10 players in the game and if he cleans up a few things he can be a top 5 player, and that Ron is unique. No question about that.

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    It is a great day to be alive !!!
    Sign me up, UB.

    I think that what Montieth, the official mouthpiece, wrote a few weeks ago, is probably right on the mark. He said the Peja trade wouldn't happen now but might in Sept/Oct or so. Hopefully, the Kings won't budge, so that means we keep Artest, warts and all.

    A great day to be alive!

    P.S. Just from a human drama perspective (I'm a professional writer, btw), you have to love how this Ron Artest guy keeps you guessing. Just when you think he's stable, he does something to jar your stereotype. What a character!
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    Bird, while refusing to rule out the possibility of anyone being traded, said Thursday he is not actively seeking a deal involving (Jale...uh) Artest.

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    It's funny how the Star would run an article whose sole purpose is to refute one of their own stories! And of course they never even mention the Kravitz article in this one...
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    Does anyone else see a disturbing trend here:

    'How good do you think Ronnie is?' " Bird said. "I asked Austin (Croshere) after the season and he said, 'Oh, God, he's unbelievable.'
    = Larry decides not to trade Ron.

    'How good do you think Isiah is?' " Bird said. "I asked Austin (Croshere) after the season and he said, 'Oh, God, he sucks. He never plays me.'
    = Larry decides to fire Isiah.

    I knew Larry was a bit obsessive about Austin, but this is a little much.

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    Default Re: Sounds like Artest fans can breath a little easier today...

    Quote Originally Posted by blanket
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    It's funny how the Star would run an article whose sole purpose is to refute one of their own stories! And of course they never even mention the Kravitz article in this one...
    Other than a statement of Artest's insistence that he really did have migraines, I don't really see anything in the article that refutes the earlier story.

    It was obviously published as a result of the earlier story, but really doesn't refute it.

    The newer story just tries to downplay the negatives, declaring Ron a continuing work in progress, and also emphasizes the good points about Ron.

    If the Pacers really are trying to make a move with Artest, then putting out positive publicity was the smart move to make.

    And, if the Pacers really are sticking with Artest, then Larry's comments giving props to Artest's progress, even though not necessarily contradicting the earlier article, was also the smart move to make.

    If your second best player, who was recognized as being a very valuable asset to your team, has suddenhly been devalued on the open market, then the value of your business as a whole has just as suddenly lost value on the the open market.

    The bottom line is that the Pacers could not afford for the 1st article to be floated without following it up with a little damage control.

    They either had to dispute the article or paint it a different color.

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    On this thread put me down as agreeing with the other old guy geezer - not actively shopping jalen errr Artest.

    Add the fact Bender has grown to 7'1 240 and is Birds fav , a trade of Artest is not out of the realm of possibility.

    Basicly what Bird said was a company damage control statement. In Birds mind I'm sure Peja Stojakovic is a player he'd take in a heartbeat for Artest.

    I'd say its still only 50/50 Artest suits up as a Pacer opening night.

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    Thank you lord.

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    Default Re: Sounds like Artest fans can breath a little easier today...

    Bird acknowledged distractions related to Artest, but he said the fifth-year pro wasn't alone in struggling to handle the pressure of a playoff run.

    "There's a lot of things that went on, not just Ronnie," Bird said. "You have to stay focused. These guys have never been that far, other than Reggie (Miller) and a few others. We had our problems with Ronnie, but every year it seems he's getting better.

    "Ronnie's a great guy. If we can calm him down a little bit, he'll be fine. He gets frustrated, but everybody does. The only thing keeping him from being one of the top five players in the game is himself."

    I am not suprised by these comments by Bird , I am glad the Pacers realize that Ron is a great talent and are not just giving up on Ron.

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    Default Re: Sounds like Artest fans can breath a little easier today...

    See, you guys didn't realize that I AM LARRY BIRD!

    I said:
    But in Ron Artest, I see a young man who's got some screwed up parts to him, but he keeps improving. He keeps getting better.
    Larry said:
    We had our problems with Ronnie, but every year it seems he's getting better.
    Seriously, you've got to love hearing things like this from Ron Artest. And I loved the fact that Ron said he'd be willing to trade himself if he were a GM. That's great.
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    Add the fact Bender ...is Birds fav
    This is the second time someone has mentioned this. Where are they getting this notion?

    My recollection is that Coach Bird was pissed after Donnie took AD from him for the pitiful skinny kid. I've heard nothing from Bird to make me think he's changed his mind much.
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    Default Re: Sounds like Artest fans can breath a little easier today...

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    Does anyone else see a disturbing trend here:

    'How good do you think Ronnie is?' " Bird said. "I asked Austin (Croshere) after the season and he said, 'Oh, God, he's unbelievable.'
    = Larry decides not to trade Ron.

    'How good do you think Isiah is?' " Bird said. "I asked Austin (Croshere) after the season and he said, 'Oh, God, he sucks. He never plays me.'
    = Larry decides to fire Isiah.

    I knew Larry was a bit obsessive about Austin, but this is a little much.

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