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    Default Did this comment by Danny make anyone else want to slap him upside the head?

    "Sometimes we can lose our mental focus and get off track a little bit," forward Danny Granger said. "I think that's where some of the older guys have to try to get us back on track."

    This was stated sometime after last night's game.

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    Seriously? "some of the older guys?" Um, like who?

    Am I the only one reading this as if Danny's dodging owning up to a leadership role? He's the only all star on the squad, the only player to have played in the Olympics, and he's deflecting owning up to leadership to "some of the older guys"?

    I'd really like to tell him, "Wake up Danny, you are one of the older guys."

    If that's his mindset, I hear the trading block calling his name.
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    I'm assuming he does consider himself to be one of the older guys. He's been here for 6 years.

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    danny makes a lot of comments that have me scratching my head

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    There are five other guys on the team older than Danny (although TJ is only 27 days older). However, since Danny is the team captain I would hope he's doing everything he can to get the players back on track. If not he certainly shouldn't be the captain and probably shouldn't be on the team.

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    Wow. TJ is only 27 days older.

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    ya, he means himself inclusive

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    No, but this comment makes me feel better about Vogel.

    "We're just not getting it done," Pacers interim coach Frank Vogel said. "I'm not doing a good enough job coaching this team and our players are not doing a good enough job coming ready to play."

    It's good that they are pissed, that they are trying to work things out. Remember a few months ago when Larry Bird was upset because after being blown out, the guys were more worried about going to Dinner?

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    That's what I would want him to say. He and the other vets need to show the way for the younger guys. Danny understands that you can't put it all on the coaches. Good for Danny.

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    That's what I would want him to say. He and the other vets need to show the way for the younger guys. Danny understands that you can't put it all on the coaches. Good for Danny.
    totally agree with you, he didn't exclude himself from that comment.

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    however, ever since the detroit game these guys have been talking the talk...

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    I don't need comments from him to make me want to slap him.

    Watching him play defense - no ........... on defense (because he certainly doesn't play it) is enough.

    That said - he's a 6 year player, one of the highest paid (if not the ...) and all that crapola. HE should be taking that role. And it should be done by his play on the court. Which would require him to give an effort on defense. Which brings me back to Square One.

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    He says the right things and speaks his mind.

    He's a good player and he needs to guide the younger players in the right direction.
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    Here goatie goatie goatie. Danny GRANGER... PD's scapegoat since the firing of JOB.

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    Trade him for Millsap in the offseason.

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    Here goatie goatie goatie. Danny GRANGER... PD's scapegoat since the firing of JOB.
    I don't see it that way at all. Besides a few people who just like to complain, we still want Danny. We want to see him play harder and all of that, but the problem is a lot more about talent than it is about Danny.
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    When Danny first came into the league, he played with a lot of passion and there was so much positive energy surrounding him. He also played defense.

    Ever since he's gotten paid, he's turned into your average despondent, I got my money NBA player. He'll play defense in the last five minutes of the game, but other than that he slacks off on what constitutes 50% of the game in basketball. He doesn't even pass quite as well as he used to, he's basically devolved into the worst kind of "asset," that of a volume shooter. That may work with fans in some cities, but Indiana basketball fans are smarter than that and expect more from Danny.

    Either light a fire under his *** or trade him this offseason. His value as of now is inflated and could get us something good in return. Just don't make the same mistake you made with JO and trade him three years too late.

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    I don't need comments from him to make me want to slap him.

    Watching him play defense - no ........... on defense (because he certainly doesn't play it) is enough.

    That said - he's a 6 year player, one of the highest paid (if not the ...) and all that crapola. HE should be taking that role. And it should be done by his play on the court. Which would require him to give an effort on defense. Which brings me back to Square One.
    Just who exactly on this team is playing defense?

    And Danny is talking about himself in that quote. Taking it any other way is foolish.

    Right now our problems don't have to do with any player. It has to do with youth and schemes. Youth leads to inconsistency which is exactly where Danny is right about the older guys needing to get this team back on track. He was clearly trying to do so last night. And the youth has led to very little offensive sets being executed. It's not just Collison either. Last night I remember we went to Hibbert right away and he was supposed to feed the ball to someone cutting, but the guy never came through. Ultimately it led to a bad shot. And our defense's problem is too much help. They all do it, Danny included. Singling out Danny's bad defense is a joke. He's doing what the defense is designed to do.

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    When Danny first came into the league, he played with a lot of passion and there was so much positive energy surrounding him. He also played defense.

    Ever since he's gotten paid, he's turned into your average despondent, I got my money NBA player. He'll play defense in the last five minutes of the game, but other than that he slacks off on what constitutes 50% of the game in basketball. He doesn't even pass quite as well as he used to, he's basically devolved into the worst kind of "asset," that of a volume shooter. That may work with fans in some cities, but Indiana basketball fans are smarter than that and expect more from Danny.

    Either light a fire under his *** or trade him this offseason. His value as of now is inflated and could get us something good in return. Just don't make the same mistake you made with JO and trade him three years too late.
    This is a bunch of bull. To say Danny doesn't play with passion is untrue. Why do you think he goes off on guys when they miss a spot. Because he wants to win. He plays defense the way our team is designed to play it. It is a flawed system.

    I'm glad Vogel is taking some responsibility. But he really needs to change this defense. We help way too much and every team in the league knows this. Until it changes we will see a lot of the same.

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    This is a bunch of bull. To say Danny doesn't play with passion is untrue. Why do you think he goes off on guys when they miss a spot. Because he wants to win. He plays defense the way our team is designed to play it. It is a flawed system.

    I'm glad Vogel is taking some responsibility. But he really needs to change this defense. We help way too much and every team in the league knows this. Until it changes we will see a lot of the same.
    The defense is designed to loaf?

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    This is a bunch of bull. To say Danny doesn't play with passion is untrue. Why do you think he goes off on guys when they miss a spot. Because he wants to win. He plays defense the way our team is designed to play it. It is a flawed system.

    I'm glad Vogel is taking some responsibility. But he really needs to change this defense. We help way too much and every team in the league knows this. Until it changes we will see a lot of the same.
    Right, that explains how he morphs from defense only moderately better than Troy's to DPOY-level defense the last five minutes of close games. There were years under Jim where Danny played pretty good individual defense, it is nothing on the system.

    Look, I want Granger to succeed here, but if his defense isn't demonstrably better by the All-Star break next year, forget it. If you want to take a calculated risk and get more value for him this offseason, trade him now. But for the love of God don't want years and years and let this fester like we did with JO.

    The other alternative is to get a player just as good or better than Danny to pair with him and see what happens. Easier said than done.
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    There are five other guys on the team older than Danny (although TJ is only 27 days older). However, since Danny is the team captain I would hope he's doing everything he can to get the players back on track. If not he certainly shouldn't be the captain and probably shouldn't be on the team.
    I wish he'd put more effort into his defense.

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    This is a bunch of bull. To say Danny doesn't play with passion is untrue. Why do you think he goes off on guys when they miss a spot. Because he wants to win. He plays defense the way our team is designed to play it. It is a flawed system.

    I'm glad Vogel is taking some responsibility. But he really needs to change this defense. We help way too much and every team in the league knows this. Until it changes we will see a lot of the same.
    I felt he was going off on people to cover up his own short comings and mistakes he made. I've seen him yell at people when it sure seems he's the one who effed up, especially half-assing through a screen.

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    I don't really see the problem with the comment. That is where veteran leadership should come into play, and I assume he's including himself in that group along with probably Foster, Dunleavy, Posey, and Ford.

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    I was asked by Mike Wells to tell you all that Granger was referring to himself along with the other veteran players.

    Can't say I'm surprised, but it's nice to avoid any possible misunderstanding. Thanks, Mike.

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    The defense is designed to loaf?
    Yes. Look at it. The whole team focuses on making sure players don't get into the lane leaving players open for jump shots.

    It often goes like this. Player X tries getting into the lane or passes into the post, more often than not we collapse around him, pass outside to open man who either takes a shot or makes a pass to another open player.

    We don't just help with one player, we help with multiple guys. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if its just one guy helping, but its not. You will see Danny and McRoberts slide over to help Hibbert, or a post player and a wing slide over to help Collison when a guy drives. This also is killing our rebounding now because our guys are out of position to box their man out. Our defensive system is a joke right now and doesn't emphasize one on one defense.

    Every team we play seems to have great ball movement. Utah had 24 assists and shot 44%. Phoenix had 29 assists and shot 44%, Dallas had 26 assists and shot 52%, OKC had 26 assists and shot 48%, Houston had 23 and shot 45%.

    The best defensive game we have played under Vogel is the game against Portland. They only had 17 assists. They also shot 36%. Why? Because of less open shots.

    If the system would emphasize more one on one defense, holding players more accountable for individual match ups, less switches, way less help, especially only sending one player to help our defense would be much better. Rush, Danny and George can play great individual defense. Collison not so much, but we have to be smarter when we are helping him. Its exactly why Grant Hill went off on us. Not because of Danny's lack of defense, but because our system calls for him to help way too much. It's not like the only opposing player going off on us is matched up against Danny. Its guys at multiple positions each game. They are getting open shots because of our defense.

    Now I'm not saying Danny is playing great defense, because he's not. He does need to put more effort into it. BUT that is a secondary problem. At the end of games the whole team typically plays better individual defense. Collison often becomes a much better lock down guy toward the end of the game. It comes out of no where. Why? Because at the end of games our defense asks more from the individual than from the team.

    The defense was broken before Vogel took over and will take longer to fix than the offense. In November when we were playing great defense,there was more emphasis on one on one defense and holding each individual accountable. As the season went on we got away from this. To fix this we need practice time and we just don't have it right now. Its going to take a training camp to change this most likely.
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