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    Danny Granger.

    2010-2011 17th best scorer in the NBA


    2009-2010 8th best scorer in the NBA

    2008-2009 5th best scorer in the NBA.

    he is alot better than you think he is.

    There is alot more to the game of BB than just being a scorer. Granger is a good player, BUT

    he's not a leader

    he's not the go to guy

    he's not a clutch player

    he doesn't make his team mates better

    he can't or won't play "D".

    He's basically a scorer, and that's about it. There was a reason why he didn't play much in the World games this summer. He can't/won't play "D" thus he got little PT. Coach K played players who could do more than just score.

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    There is alot more to the game of BB than just being a scorer. Granger is a good player, BUT

    he's not a leader

    he's not the go to guy

    he's not a clutch player

    he doesn't make his team mates better

    he can't or won't play "D".

    He's basically a scorer, and that's about it. There was a reason why he didn't play much in the World games this summer. He can't/won't play "D" thus he got little PT. Coach K played players who could do more than just score.
    ok look at the stats. not to bad.
    FGM
    8-17

    3PM
    3-7

    FTM
    6-7

    REB
    4

    AST
    6

    STL
    3

    BLK
    1

    not to bad. What do you think?

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    ok look at the stats. not to bad.
    FGM
    8-17

    3PM
    3-7

    FTM
    6-7

    REB
    4

    AST
    6

    STL
    3

    BLK
    1

    not to bad. What do you think?
    What do I think?

    D FENSE CLAP* CLAP* CLAP* D FENSE

    D FENSE CLAP* CLAP* CLAP* D FENSE

    D FENSE CLAP* CLAP* CLAP* D FENSE

    Grant Hill only scored 300 pts

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    you see all sorts of "OMG TRADE HIM OMG".

    IIRC, you have made that statement twice. I have read this thread from the beginning to the end, and posters aren't saying Granger needs to be traded. It's being pointed out what his liabilities are.

    Myself, I'm upset with Granger's "D" in this game, and overall seasons "D". Posters, like yourself, point Granger's 26 points in the game, but you avoid/gloss over mentioning he gave up 8 or more points to Hill while not guarding him. The Pacers only lost by 2 points in OT. If Granger had played better "D" on a 38 yo Hill, this game won't have even gone to OT, b/c the Pacers would have one this game in regulation.

    I'm not saying Granger is solely responsible for this loss, but his lack of "D" heavily contributed to the loss. I want the Granger that left his teeth on the floor against the Celtics a few years ago. That's not asking for too much. Put the effort on both sides of the court. I can live with Granger scoring less, and playing good "D". I can't live with a player who only scores and plays poor "D".
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    Honestly the only player on this team that's been playing smashmouth basketball is Tyler. He's someone who fights for rebounds and is aggressive.

    Oh, and Foster doesn't?? How did he get those rebs? He didn't get them the Troy Murphy's way!

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    I want the Granger that left his teeth on the floor against the Celtics a few years ago. That's not asking for too much.
    I mean, sacrificing an eye ball or a left testicle might be a bit pricey, but teeth? Meh.

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    If Collison played defense the entire game, like he does with 2 minutes left in a close game, we would all be happy with his defense.

    Didn't see it with Price being the hot hand today, but Collison steps up and pressures the ball very well late in close games, doesn't put in the effort the rest of the game it seems, too casual

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    Not playing Tyler and George down the stetch puzzled me.


    J-mac's defense is terrible it was really hard to watch today.
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    We had four team fouls, doesn't five put the other team on the line?
    I'm talking about OT. We had 0 fouls, and so I think you have 1 to give in the final 2 minutes, no?

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    Grant Hill is awesome. 38 years old and still so good... always guarding the other teams best wing-player...can still score....would love to have him on the Pacers.

    He's still a top 5-10 SF in this league, imo.

    I would still have a hard time picking guys like Granger, Wallace, Butler over him for my team.
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    I'm talking about OT. We had 0 fouls, and so I think you have 1 to give in the final 2 minutes, no?
    oh wow..yea, not sure either. Other than it's a team full of vets, and if they tried to foul, the team would have made like they were shooting.

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    Grant Hill is awesome. 38 years old and still so good... always guarding the other teams best wing...can still score....would love to have him on the Pacers.

    He's still a top 5-10 SF in this league, imo.
    Top 5-10? Maybe today

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    Yes, but really we are just talking about a more aggressive defense of the inbounds pass. If you foul someone while going for the ball, it's not a shooting foul when you have one to give. Plus, again it wasn't a catch and shoot situation, but one where they wanted a set shot while draining the clock to zero, as they did.

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    Top 5-10? Maybe today
    yeah maybe not... I just love his game...

    It's just sad to see guys like Granger give half the effort on a regular basis than a 38 year old man who's only playing because he loves the game too much.

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    locker room reaction after the game.


    http://www.nba.com/pacers/video/2011...707/index.html
    My comments about this video:

    AJ's basketball IQ seem good for a second year player.

    Foster has some grey hairs.

    Lance has benifited from being around this group of guys.

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    Why does the Indiana Pacers fans only expect Danny Granger to give 100% and no one else, on both ends of the court.But does not expect much from the rest of team .I think Granger scoring is down this year because he is trying to get his teamates involved. Obviously he is a team player, and wants to win.
    because thats what most good stars do. Even Melo decided to play defense today. He has the ablity but doesnt give the effort sometimes.

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    There is alot more to the game of BB than just being a scorer. Granger is a good player, BUT

    he's not a leader

    he's not the go to guy

    he's not a clutch player

    he doesn't make his team mates better

    he can't or won't play "D".

    He's basically a scorer, and that's about it. There was a reason why he didn't play much in the World games this summer. He can't/won't play "D" thus he got little PT. Coach K played players who could do more than just score.
    What the is wrong with just being a scorer? He can't lead us to a title single handily so he sucks balls? Oh he was on the USA Team, but he didn't play a lot, so he must really be freaking awful, if the best he can do is backup Durant we might as well send him to the D league.

    I quoted you saying we need someone better than Danny who's a leader, a go to guy, someone who's clutch, makes his teammates better, and can play lockdown defense. Maybe you should call up Larry and tell them that's what we need, I bet they never thought of that.

    Now that we know what we need lets just trade for LeBron, Wade, Kobe or maybe Durant, heck and Westbrook too. What? nobody is going to trade those guys? really we can't just trade Danny for one?

    Well maybe we should just draft someone like that, great all around players are easy to get, 10 or 20 in every draft right? Really? they are that hard to get?



    IMO, our only hope to be a contender, for anything, in the next 10 years is for Danny to become tied for 2nd or most likely the 3rd best player on the team with in the next few years. One of those guys might be George, the other one is probably not on the team, or in a dream world it's Lance. Either way that's several years away. Trading Danny for a younger player and hopeing said young player will become better just moves the time line farther away.
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    The problem today was not Danny's one on one defense. The problem was when our defense got broken down, Danny was very eager to help and Grant Hill is a savvy veteran and exposed him for this. That's why Hill was always open. Granger was helping too early and too often.

    Everyone on the team is guilty of this. I notice it with Mike a lot too. He's a good help defender, but is too eager to help. When you have Nash at the PG spot breaking everything down, Grant Hill knows how to work off Nash to make you pay. He did the same things to Brandon when Rush guarded him. Its a big flaw in our defensive system, it has been all year. I hope Vogel changes this. We need to hold guys more accountable on defensive match ups. One on one Danny was fine with Hill.

    Danny could have played better defense for sure, but to say it all fell on him was wrong. The whole defense failed. This is why I think our second unit is better defensively. Price is a better defender than Collison so the defense isn't picked apart as easily.

    And to say Danny is not clutch after today's game is just wrong. Did he hit the game winning shot? No, but he made his FT's at the end of the game and his some shots down the line. Him and Price were the only ones doing it really.

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    Welcome home. I'm glad to see you onboard. You are correct that DC is probably not the answer.

    There are some good aspects to his game, particularly his potential at the PnR. He is very good in the open floor...might be his best attribute. He is quick and has a good handle. He's a good mid range shooter and decent from the perimeter. It's certainly not all bad. Definitely as good as any PG we have had since Tinsley.

    Problem is, he lacks "it" when it comes to being a floor general. He does not see the floor well nor does he seem to make his team mates better. He is also a smallish PG who has problems defending and serious problems guarding bigger PG's.

    That said, he may be our best option at the moment....but I'm not really sure of that either.
    Agreed with this. While he is a 2nd year PG, I was still hoping for a leap, not this...


    very late edit: Anyone else feel like McRoberts didn't fight hard enough to get over Dudley?
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    Agreed with this. While he is a 2nd year PG, I was still hoping for a leap, not this...


    very late edit: Anyone else feel like McRoberts didn't fight hard enough to get over Dudley?
    Typical Josh but Dundley set a decent pick but ya he didnt fight at all.

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    What the is wrong with just being a scorer? He can't lead us to a title single handily so he sucks balls? Oh he was on the USA Team, but he didn't play a lot, so he must really be freaking awful, QUOTE]


    Sorry, you have a problem understanding there is more to JUST being scorer. I guess Bird should just look to trade for, sign, or draft players that can only score. Forbid Granger being anything, but a scorer. Forget doing the things I mentioned, b/c they are useless in winning games when you have a scorer in Granger. Sorry, for wanting a well rounded player who can make his teammates better, who can play "D", for wanting a clutch go to guy, etc.

    Using a little reading comprehension and you would have notice I said Granger was a "good player". Yes, he was good enough to get on the USA team, BUT he wasn't good enough in areas such as playing "D" to beat out other players for PT. This was discussed here on PD this summer in case you have forgotten. It was also wondered if Granger would comeback this season with an attitude to show the USA team he could play "D", etc.

    Unless Granger expands his game from being only a scorer, I don't ever envision seeing him an Allstar again. He has to become more than a 1 dimensional player. Again, there's more to BB than scoring. As far as I'm concerned, parts of Granger's game has regressed from what it was a few years ago. I want to see the Granger expand his game to be the player I know he can be! I don't believe that is too much to ask or expect.

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