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Pacers/Suns postgame thread

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  • #31
    Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

    For you guys calling for Hans and Hibbert, Vogel made the right decision today.

    He stayed with the defense. That was the best PnR defense we've played in the last two years (probably a lot longer than that.) And it was against Steve Nash. That's been a problem, but if we can stop Steve Nash, we can stop any PG from doing that.

    The offense did suffer, but I think Vogel just figured that Danny and AJ were enough offense.

    The PGs, Price is my boy obviously, but I'm going to find myself sticking up for DC (again.) We're lucky to have two young good PGs. DC hasn't been playing well, and his defense needs to improve. But he's still good, and he's still very young.

    AJ didn't play a perfect PG game today either. Too many turnovers (although, two of which were just fouls that weren't called) He was out of control a bit, which was unusual for him. He also didn't run the offense particularly well, in stretches. But he also took over the fourth quarter. And his defense has improved remarkably. At this point, he's one of our better defenders. It's too bad we came up short.

    I maintain that we continue to stat DC, and if Price is outplaying him, Price closes.

    Lance, he looked uncomfortable to me. Probably first game jitters. But he looked like a SG being told to play point. He had a pretty pass to PG on the baseline, but his handle isn't that good. He could bulldoze his way into the paint with little Aaron Brooks on him, however, I think he could have bulldozed whomever the shooting guard was too. I'd like to see him played there for a few minutes..particularly if DJones is going to continue to take too many shots and not play defense.

    edit: we didn't foul because if we did, they go to the line. The commentators were wrong.

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    • #32
      Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

      Originally posted by MarvelousMarvin View Post
      Where did this 4 losses in 5 games myth come from? we're 2-2 in our last 4.
      Right. The Wizards are so irrelevant that our game against them completely slipped my mind.

      Four loses in six games, struggling against bad and getting beat by mediocre teams. We're not so hot.

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      • #33
        Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

        Originally posted by Jared Sullinger View Post
        Four losses in five games. The honeymoon is not only over, thoughts of a divorce are already running through my mind (i.e., finding a new coach in the offseason).
        Seriously? Do you really think any other coach would be doing better right now? Unless you are expecting John Wooden to be our next coach it is highly unlikely any other coach would be doing better.

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        • #34
          Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
          Seriously? Do you really think any other coach would be doing better right now? Unless you are expecting John Wooden to be our next coach it is highly unlikely any other coach would be doing better.
          Yes. I can think of a few.

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          • #35
            Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

            It is disappointing, for sure. But I'd like to think that this experience will help our younger guys learn how to close out games in the future.

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            • #36
              Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

              For you guys calling for Hans and Hibbert, Vogel made the right decision today
              .

              I agree with the Hibbert part but I disagree with the Hans part, the Pacers needed offense and had two players with no offense, another thing I don't understand is why Josh and Foster were in the game for that last second call.
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              • #37
                Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                you people make me laugh

                stop whining

                no way in hell this was frank vogel

                you just love to blame everyone and you people are never happy

                it was a fun late game but a lot of the players didnt do well

                i know you all refuse to blame roy hibbert but he had a ****ty game and for those who want a better pg maybe we should get a better center

                i love darren collison and roy and they are young aqnd our future players

                have a drink
                Last edited by Scot Pollard; 02-27-2011, 04:21 PM.
                In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                • #38
                  Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                  Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                  Geez.

                  Thoughts of a divorce already? You've got to be kidding. I'm not saying Frank is the answer, but let's take a step back.

                  Most of us here at PD (I'm sure not all) asked for the young players before "he who shall not be named" got fired. Tonight, we got the young players. They will make mistakes. We will lose games.

                  I want the playoffs as much as the next guy, but let's take a step back. We need these guys to develop. It seems to me that they are. I'd like to develop them and make the playoffs, but this was just a tough game to swallow. Remember, somebody has to lose. It's never easy to lose an OT game, but it's really ok.

                  On to the next one.
                  Absolutely. The Pacers lost the last contest with Phoenix by 8 points. At least this game went to overtime. Also, Hans and George got DNP's last time yet we competed better.

                  Goodness, this team is filled with rookies and second year players. AJ, Tyler, Hibbert, George, Rush, McBob, Lance, etc...all very inexperienced NBA players. Patience...

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                  • #39
                    Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                    Originally posted by Hoop View Post
                    We've lost the last 2 games to teams with better records than us, disappointing cause we could have won today, but not the end of the world. We looked much worse against Utah & Suns the last time we played them.

                    Hill hitting Danny with 34 was disapointing, but Danny had 25Pts 4Rebs 6Ast on 8-17 with 3 steals, 1 blk and only 1TO. Not the disaster some of you are saying he was.
                    What I found really disappointing was that at the end of fourth, Danny got sucked into the middle for no reason, leaving Hill open for a three to tie it. Bad defense, and it left the hottest player on Phoenix open at the end of the game. Still, an overtime loss to an over .500 team isn't the end of the world. I think people are expecting to much from this team. We're playing better and we've been competitive in every game under Vogel, and that's still a massive improvement from where we were.
                    Danger Zone

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                    • #40
                      Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
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                      I agree with the Hibbert part but I disagree with the Hans part, the Pacers needed offense and had two players with no offense, another thing I don't understand is why Josh and Foster were in the game for that last second call.
                      They shouldn't have been in the game then.

                      But Josh was in because of the PnR defense with the Sun's PF (Frye?)

                      Steve Nash will absolutely kill you with the PnR, you have to do your best to stop it.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                        Originally posted by Jared Sullinger View Post
                        Right. The Wizards are so irrelevant that our game against them completely slipped my mind.

                        Four loses in six games, struggling against bad and getting beat by mediocre teams. We're not so hot.
                        Have you happened to look at our record, we are not that great, improving but still not that great. Potential, yes, still not that good.

                        The only loss to a team with a worse record than us was against Detroit, in overtime.

                        Perspective maybe?

                        A month ago it looked like we might not win another game the rest of the season, things are still much much better.
                        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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                        • #42
                          Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
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                          I agree with the Hibbert part but I disagree with the Hans part, the Pacers needed offense and had two players with no offense, another thing I don't understand is why Josh and Foster were in the game for that last second call.
                          How many people do we need to run plays for on last second shots at the end of the game? We're really only going to have a first and second option off a set play, and those two had been playing well and hitting the glass. Maybe we were supposed to have a quick shot with chance or offensive rebound, or remember the inbound against Miami where JMac had the pass at the rim? Just to get back into the game and have a chance to win was good. Would have been great to win. I'm still disappointed with Granger's D at the end of the fourth to allow the 3.
                          Danger Zone

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                          • #43
                            Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                            Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                            Absolutely. The Pacers lost the last contest with Phoenix by 8 points. At least this game went to overtime. Also, Hans and George got DNP's last time yet we competed better.

                            Goodness, this team is filled with rookies and second year players. AJ, Tyler, Hibbert, George, Rush, McBob, Lance, etc...all very inexperienced NBA players. Patience...
                            I agree, I'm just kind of confuse with some of the play calls, like leaving DJ in the game too long and letting Hibbert get abuse without making an adjustment, either way I agree with you that this is a young team and they are still learning.
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                            • #44
                              Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                              I still have a problem with a pg Price shooting 12 times in the last 21 minutes , while having only 1 assist and 4 turnovers. I know he hit 6 of 12 shots but this season he was hitting 36% from the field going in.

                              He has now got regular run 17+ minutes a game over the last 20 games. Counting today he is shooting 35.4% from 2 point range , 28.3% from 3's, has a total of 37 assist in 343 minutes and 26 turnovers a 1.9 to 1.3 a/to ratio.

                              I hope to see Lance get some real minutes , AJ when on can hit his shots ( thats been seldom over the 20 games) but is too shot happy for my liking as a back up pg.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers/Suns postgame thread

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                I agree, I'm just kind of confuse with some of the play calls, like leaving DJ in the game too long and letting Hibbert get abuse without making an adjustment, either way I agree with you that this is a young team and they are still learning.
                                I didn't see the game, but of course I will still give my uninformed opinion...

                                I suspect that Vogel had guys in the game that are executing the defense. The Suns offense came to a grinding halt in the 4th quarter and I suspect Vogel "rewarded" the guys who played good D with court time to motivate the entire team to play better defense. If all that is true, it was a great decision by Vogel. One loss is nothing compared to getting the team to play better D going forward.

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