You Got The Tony!!!!!!
Lance had more assists in four minutes than AJ has had in his past two games combined. I'm ready to see some more Lance (and a lot more AJ too).
We've lost the last 2 games to teams with better records than us, disappointing cause we could have won today, but not the end of the world. We looked much worse against Utah & Suns the last time we played them.
Hill hitting Danny with 34 was disapointing, but Danny had 25Pts 4Rebs 6Ast on 8-17 with 3 steals, 1 blk and only 1TO. Not the disaster some of you are saying he was.
"Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"
For you guys calling for Hans and Hibbert, Vogel made the right decision today.
He stayed with the defense. That was the best PnR defense we've played in the last two years (probably a lot longer than that.) And it was against Steve Nash. That's been a problem, but if we can stop Steve Nash, we can stop any PG from doing that.
The offense did suffer, but I think Vogel just figured that Danny and AJ were enough offense.
The PGs, Price is my boy obviously, but I'm going to find myself sticking up for DC (again.) We're lucky to have two young good PGs. DC hasn't been playing well, and his defense needs to improve. But he's still good, and he's still very young.
AJ didn't play a perfect PG game today either. Too many turnovers (although, two of which were just fouls that weren't called) He was out of control a bit, which was unusual for him. He also didn't run the offense particularly well, in stretches. But he also took over the fourth quarter. And his defense has improved remarkably. At this point, he's one of our better defenders. It's too bad we came up short.
I maintain that we continue to stat DC, and if Price is outplaying him, Price closes.
Lance, he looked uncomfortable to me. Probably first game jitters. But he looked like a SG being told to play point. He had a pretty pass to PG on the baseline, but his handle isn't that good. He could bulldoze his way into the paint with little Aaron Brooks on him, however, I think he could have bulldozed whomever the shooting guard was too. I'd like to see him played there for a few minutes..particularly if DJones is going to continue to take too many shots and not play defense.
edit: we didn't foul because if we did, they go to the line. The commentators were wrong.
Right. The Wizards are so irrelevant that our game against them completely slipped my mind.
Four loses in six games, struggling against bad and getting beat by mediocre teams. We're not so hot.
It is disappointing, for sure. But I'd like to think that this experience will help our younger guys learn how to close out games in the future.
.For you guys calling for Hans and Hibbert, Vogel made the right decision today
I agree with the Hibbert part but I disagree with the Hans part, the Pacers needed offense and had two players with no offense, another thing I don't understand is why Josh and Foster were in the game for that last second call.
you people make me laugh
no way in hell this was frank vogel
you just love to blame everyone and you people are never happy
it was a fun late game but a lot of the players didnt do well
i know you all refuse to blame roy hibbert but he had a ****ty game and for those who want a better pg maybe we should get a better center
i love darren collison and roy and they are young aqnd our future players
have a drink
Last edited by Scot Pollard; 02-27-2011 at 03:21 PM.
In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!
Goodness, this team is filled with rookies and second year players. AJ, Tyler, Hibbert, George, Rush, McBob, Lance, etc...all very inexperienced NBA players. Patience...
Have you happened to look at our record, we are not that great, improving but still not that great. Potential, yes, still not that good.
The only loss to a team with a worse record than us was against Detroit, in overtime.
A month ago it looked like we might not win another game the rest of the season, things are still much much better.
"Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"
I still have a problem with a pg Price shooting 12 times in the last 21 minutes , while having only 1 assist and 4 turnovers. I know he hit 6 of 12 shots but this season he was hitting 36% from the field going in.
He has now got regular run 17+ minutes a game over the last 20 games. Counting today he is shooting 35.4% from 2 point range , 28.3% from 3's, has a total of 37 assist in 343 minutes and 26 turnovers a 1.9 to 1.3 a/to ratio.
I hope to see Lance get some real minutes , AJ when on can hit his shots ( thats been seldom over the 20 games) but is too shot happy for my liking as a back up pg.
I suspect that Vogel had guys in the game that are executing the defense. The Suns offense came to a grinding halt in the 4th quarter and I suspect Vogel "rewarded" the guys who played good D with court time to motivate the entire team to play better defense. If all that is true, it was a great decision by Vogel. One loss is nothing compared to getting the team to play better D going forward.
Also, remember Vogel is a young coach too. He is going to make mistakes. Although I think he played the right people most of the time, he probably shouldn't have had foster in with that last second shot.
I listened to the game and Slick was really aggitated about not being able to stop the Suns P&R. His comment was it isn't working today and hasn't worked all season, so you have to make some changes. I can still hear Slick saying after the Suns got the ball "here it comes again!"
I'm very upset with Granger's lack of playing "D". I don't want to hear about his being able to play "D" again. He just flat out doesn't. That and the fact Granger isn't a go to guy when you need clutch play is getting very irritating. Batman he isn't, and the Pacers need a Batman. I'm beginning to wonder if he can fill the roll of Robin at times.
Speaking of Robin, alias Rush, he's like a scared puppy not knowing what to do when he gets the ball. There is a reason there has been an attempt to trade him the last 2 trade deadlines. What you see is all he's ever going to be, period. I said from the day Bird drafted George that he was drafted as Rush's replacement. Rush isn't part of the future core of this team, and the handwriting is on the wall, if Rush will just take the time to read it, that Rush won't be playing in Pacers uni next season.
price hit some shots, but honestly, i do not like the way he plays the pg position at all. pgs should not be looking to score first, pass second. that sort of play can be fine for a game or two, but over the long haul it is not conducive to winning basketball.
these are the growing pains this young team needs to go through - we couldnt do it the last 3 years when the young players were sitting in the bench during the crucial stretch of the games - so now they're having a go and it and its a good learning period for them...
would i have been happier if they managed to WIN while learning? absolutely! but you take what you can in these situations - not only is the team learning but I think Vogel is also learning as well...
We need experience - that is the main thing we're lacking right now.
Oh and we also need some sort of a reliable play to call in these situations where we can set up a player for a proper shot to win the game for us - these things have been making me cringe ever since Uncle Reg retired...