Reportedly, Bulls offered 3 1st picks and to take on a bad deal for Mayo, but Heisley declined due to personal grudge against the Bulls owner. On hoopshype twitter page atm.
That confrontation is 1 of the 2 times that Mayo has been suspended this season. Sometimes the best trades are the ones that don't happen.Sources have brought me up to speed on the details of Allen/Mayo I, and judging by the fruit of this fight -- a black eye for O.J. Mayo and a fine for Tony Allen -- there will not be a rematch.
I'm told the two Memphis Grizzlies players, who are actually friends, scuffled over a debt of $7,500 that Mayo owed to Allen after losing in the card game Bourre.
Allen, regarded as one of the toughest guys in the league, tried to avoid a confrontation, but Mayo trash-talked Allen for roughly 15 minutes, criticizing his game, bragging about how he was a better basketball player than Allen, about how he was a lottery pick.
Allen was especially bothered by Mayo's chatter because they have a friendly relationship. Zach Randolph tried to play peacemaker, telling Mayo to stop ribbing Allen, but to no avail.
Finally, Allen had enough and struck Mayo in the face. He then landed a succession of blows to Mayo's eye, mouth, shoulder and the side of his head. Mayo was able to get off a swing, but Allen ducked to avoid it and then clocked Mayo once more for good measure.
As Apollo Creed said to the young upstart Rocky Balboa, "Ain't gonna' be no rematch.''
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Well so he was a dick with his friend and got beaten up. I thought he had anger management issues himself. This isn't nearly as bad. He's no Artest, he just can't keep his mouth shut around his friends.
I hadn't seen the particulars untill now, this makes me feel much better about his issues. Not nearly what I was afraid off.
Talk it, walk it
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It's a ridiculous situation though. You play a game, you trash talk, and your friend punches you in the face.
It's your own fault that you crossed the line, but on the other hand, people trash talk with friends all the time. Sometimes you get carried away and step over the line. It doesn't make you a bad person.
Usually a friend doesn't punch you though just because you are over the line. But these guys are meant to be 'tough', so maybe it's different. If a friend punched me at a card game, I think I'd just freeze due to surprise, no punching back or anything.
Some of you guys just don't get it. This has very little to do with one OJ Mayo. This is about buying cheap and selling high. IF we got Mayo and then traded him later next season for a couple of frist round picks or high quality basketball player then we win.
Mayo has issues and I kind of wonder if Lance is just as talented as Mayo with less issues. MY point is that we could have MORE ASSETS to deal with next season when sign and trades are possible. IMO we need to expand our options for wheeling and dealing next season and Mayo would have provided that.
You say so why? Because you read it on espn?
Because he talked trash to a friend?
Because of illegal uni gifts and the 'energy drink'?
All that says to me is that he's a dick with friends and possibly a cheater. I can live with that. Nothing there tells me he's stupid and will go and hit fans in the stands or ask for a time off to write songs, or beat up his teammates.
If there are any other facts though, I'd love to read about it.
Overall point, I agree, this was a buy low deal where either you sell high in a year, or you get a future starter.
Nothing will ever light a fire under Brandon Rush this is now 3 straight trade deadlines the Pacers have tried to move him. Seems obvious Bird only extended his contract next season in hopes of getting something for him.
As for McRoberts being the 1 of 2 pf's here - Jason Smith and D J Mbenga both pf's were likely the 2 Hornet players we were getting. I think Bird sees Tyler as a 30+ minute a night player , and saw Granger at pf for 8-10 minutes perhaps a night leaving 8-10 minutes for Posey-Mbenga and Smith to fill.
Mayo at 6'4 can play point guard on a limited minutes basis and tho not a good defender does fill a role of a bigger pg to defend Stuckey, Billups types who abuse Collison. Something he also envisions Stephenson doing.
I think if we remove homerism and look at how "nba experts" saw the failed deal you'll see they thought it was a steal for the Pacers.
I'm not a huge Mayo fan but he'd have been a huge upgrade over Rush who Bird obviously wants to move. His attitude is a huge question but he has value around the league . He is the type who wants to take the big shot late in games and can create his own shot something at this point I only see Paul George on this team capable of doing.
Last edited by diamonddave00; 02-25-2011 at 12:25 PM.
"USC signee O.J. Mayo faces a two-game suspension after being ejected from a game Friday night involving his Huntington (W.Va.) High team in which he received two technical fouls and reportedly initiated contact with an official.
Mayo received one technical foul for taunting after scoring on a breakaway dunk, then a second technical for a verbal confrontation with players from the opposing team.
Mayo reportedly followed an official to the scorer's table to dispute the call and made contact, after which the official dropped to the court."
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Of course they can. Arenas are loud. When players want to argue a call, they get close to refs. Just watch NBA games. Especially before the 'no complaining' rule.
He either pushed the ref, or he didn't push him. If he went to argue a technical and the ref flopped, that hilarious and worth reading about, but that's about it.
I kind of hate these kinds of stories. Some famous guy who was supposed to be the next LeBron falls into some ridiculous situation or trash talks too much, and suddenly there's a series of pulp fiction stories about what gangster he is. Put 3 of these ridiculous stories together, and he's a Freddie Krueger.
Last edited by ballism; 02-25-2011 at 12:51 PM.
the video is on youtube. He obviously at least touched the ref, but at the angle of the cameras it's hard to see just how hard he bumped him. The ref definitely took a spill and regardless of a flop or not, Mayo made contact. Making contact with an official is a big NO in basketball from AAU on up to the NBA and it's not like Mayo didn't know that.
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I wish news of this non-trade had never been leaked, so we wouldn't have to be putting up with this sky-is-falling crap over a guy that really isn't worth it.
We had a guy in this thread named Gamble recommend we take a.... gamble. How profound.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
It seems we'll never come to an agreement. When you post up some crazy picture or say that he 'fights teammates', that indeed sounds terrible. But when you try to look with open mind and don't 'forget' any facts, the picture turns into a video of a flopping ref. The 'fighting' turns into 'too much trash talking at wrong friends'. And his most serious crime - an 18 year takes under the table gifts from his college; guess what, Joe Smith did an under the table multi-million deal in NBA, and he was a great guy.
Personally, I don't mind a greedy guy who's a dick and talks too much trash. If he doesn't repeat the steroid masker stuff, I couldn't care less about everything else. I certainly don't care about huge headlines and pulp photos. I'd rather see full picture.
Anyway, no point to argue about this all over again, if there's no other facts.
a lot of truths in the op