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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

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  • #16
    Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

    Originally posted by CableKC View Post
    One more thing...where on earth did this come from? I haven't heard one bit of this until now.
    Zeke's been advising Dolan for a long time. He was supposedly involved in wooing Lebron last summer, so it's not that shocking. Isiah must have some pictures of him with farm animals or something to maintain that association. I mean, Isiah is even a failure so far in coaching Florida International University.
    The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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    • #17
      Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

      Someone needs to have Dolan committed. Shouldn't be too hard. The evidence that he's certifiably insane is overwhelming.

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      • #18
        Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

        I'm still confident nothing will change in the FO.

        There's a better chance Morway leaves than Bird leaving.

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        • #19
          Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

          Originally posted by CooperManning View Post
          I don't think Larry will retire. As others have pointed out, specific quotes from Larry imply that he'll be back (like interviewing new coaches). He has a young team that he likes, the most cap room in the league, his pick of a new coach, and full trust of the owner.

          What's Larry going to do post-retirement, go into broadcasting? Unlikely. He might have some health issues, but he's only 54. I can't think of a better way for an ultra-competitive former NBA player to spend his time than having full run of his own team. It's like what Michael Jordan wanted, but he doesn't have to pay $275 million to do it.

          Larry very well could walk away after the season. But if he does, I'll be very curious as to why.
          I was watching or reading NBA Analyst talking about Bird and his future with Indy and he mentioned that outside of Indy.....he does have the reputation, sway and influence like has in Indiana. Outside of a TNT analyst ( which he doesnt have a sparkly TV personality IMHO ) he wouldn't likely find a similar job outside of Indiana if he were to leave.
          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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          • #20
            Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

            This makes much more sense now. I was confused why the Knicks were trading some core pieces like Felton when there's almost a 100% chance he signs with NY in 5 months. Only an idiot would trade now instead of waiting, IMO.

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            • #21
              Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

              "We are not actively looking to replace Larry Bird." Dennie Walsh
              Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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              • #22
                Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                Oh boy, Isiah is already picking up where he left off of running the Knicks into the ground. Yes, let's trade just about all our core players for Melo, who'll just come here next season anyhow. Meanwhile, I'm sure he'll find an exciting deal for a James Posey type player and trade the next 4 years worth of 1st rounders for him. And of course over pay for every player thinking he's a small market team.

                Only makes sense. Dear God, how does anyone think Zeke can be a front office guy?

                This is only good news for the Pacers. I feel bad for Walsh. I feel equally bad for Melo and Staudamire cause they are in a for a crappy ride. Only a greedy fool would go to the Knicks with Zeke calling the shots.
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                • #23
                  Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                  Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                  I think Donnie returns to Indy, but only as a resident, not as the President of Pacers Basketball.
                  He could return as an unpaid consultant. As long as Bird is still in charge I would like that.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                    I don't really want Walsh back. He's the one that got us stuck with all those bad contracts, and now that we are finally about to get out of it, we bring him back? Makes no sense.

                    If this is true though, that's pretty pathetic. Walsh deserves better than that, given the turnaround he's brought to New York.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                      I have a hard time believing that Bird with his competitive drive could quit at the end of the season. He waited through those bad years when the team had no flexibility whatsoever and now is starting to see his moves/picks pay off. Who knows who we will add to the team this summer, but you'd have to think that Bird would want to stick around a couple years and see the team he put together reach its potential.

                      I definitely hope Bird comes back. I generally like the moves he's made and want to see what else he has up his sleeve. Keeping O'Brien around as long as he did is almost unforgivable, but Bird has made enough good personnel moves that I want to see what else he can do.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                        I don't want to see him back, he is showing once again that he falls in love with talent, he doesn't want to trade a bunch of role players for one of the best players in the league, just stupid.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • #27
                          Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                          FisolaNYDN Frank Isola
                          by WojYahooNBA
                          James Dolan believes that if Isiah were involved from the start LeBron would be a Knick. Feels he got Amar'e & that he is delivering Carmelo
                          1 hour ago

                          Is Dolan on crack? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahaha to all of the Knick fans that have to go through this crap again.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                            I think Donnie is past his prime, in that the players and their motivations have changed and he has not changed with them. I do not think he would be the best choice for GM.

                            That said, though, with the understanding that his weakness is taking the final step but his strength is building everything up to that step, aren't we in the position where he did the best while he was here before?

                            I've mentioned before that I'm not certain how Morway is perceived in the hallways of PS&E, that if we aren't careful we could be looking at internal management tensions I've seen in places like Atlanta. I think Morway was the person who had problems with Mel and others who have been fired - I don't know all sides of the story, but it makes me concerned.

                            I don't want the "two-headed monster", but I can't believe there is nothing Donnie could contribute to this franchise.
                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • #29
                              Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                              Originally posted by Sparhawk
                              This is only good news for the Pacers. I feel bad for Walsh. I feel equally bad for Melo and Staudamire cause they are in a for a crappy ride. Only a greedy fool would go to the Knicks with Zeke calling the shots.
                              I don't feel bad in anywayfor Melo.....if he was willing to sign with the Nets, he wouldn't have to deal with this. As for Amare, I'm not going to feel bad for him, he can cry himself to sleep in his bed of money.
                              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Turmoil in N.Y. may turn into a nightmare for me

                                I think Isiah knows talent for the most part, he just doesn't know that other things come that talent. Character, chemistry, emotions, etc...

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