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    Default Hall of Fame overlooks Slick again? Boo, baby

    From the Indianapolis Star
    by Bob Kravitz (keep reading anyway)

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2009.../1088/SPORTS04

    It's pathetic how this group operates in secrecy and with a blatant ABA bias.

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    Good article by Kravitz. It's a damn shame he isn't in.

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    I will never visit the NBA Hall of Fame.

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    It is obvious they represent NBA more so than ABA. But they also favor NCAA more. I really do not get it. Football is separated by Pro and amateur, why not basketball.

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    Its interesting because in Chicago they are making a big stink this year about how (the late) Red Kerr is not in the HoF. And when you compare Red to Slick, there is no way that anyone should waste a single breath on Red Kerr until Slick is enshrined. But with other "lifetime achievement" options, and the anti-ABA bias, its a no-win situation.
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    It's a travesty and cheapens all inductees when someone like Slick is overlooked and not already in there.

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    Reminds me of Philip Roth's The Great American Novel. That is about baseball rather than basketball, but it is about a defunct league and how it was destroyed by the ones that survived.

    Slick Leonard seems like the last person to care whether he gets a plaque on a wall in in some hall of fame or not. He knows he deserves it, and he know we know it, too. I'd bet he wouldn't trade his life for anyone else's and he's too big to resent slights like this one.

    I hope that's how he feels, anyway. He's absolutely great. He's absolutely great!
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    I've been wanting to talk about this all day!

    YES! Slick deserves this. I mean come on, Meadowlark Lemon is in the HOF.

    Kravitz was king for a day. If not any other article, this one really stuck out as an excellent piece of commentary.
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    To play devils advocate... Is there any arguable reason Slick isn't there other then the obvious bias towards the ABA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roaming Gnome View Post
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    To play devils advocate... Is there any arguable reason Slick isn't there other then the obvious bias towards the ABA?
    From what I heard was that his NBA career wasn't too impressive. Playing or coaching. I guess he averaged 10 ppg, not too bad.

    He did hit a championship winning shot for IU, but apparently was considered a role player.

    This is just info I've gathered from the radio shows today.
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    I will never visit the NBA Hall of Fame.
    Not to be picky, but there is no NBA Hall of Fame.

    The official name is Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, this may help explain why there are so many differant types of inductee's.

    http://www.hoophall.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peck View Post
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    Not to be picky, but there is no NBA Hall of Fame.

    The official name is Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, this may help explain why there are so many differant types of inductee's.

    http://www.hoophall.com/
    That was stated in jest and to its bias.

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    Reminds me of Philip Roth's The Great American Novel. That is about baseball rather than basketball, but it is about a defunct league and how it was destroyed by the ones that survived.

    Slick Leonard seems like the last person to care whether he gets a plaque on a wall in in some hall of fame or not. He knows he deserves it, and he know we know it, too. I'd bet he wouldn't trade his life for anyone else's and he's too big to resent slights like this one.

    I hope that's how he feels, anyway. He's absolutely great. He's absolutely great!
    I had a conversation with Slick in Atlanta a few years ago. Although his comment was basically: Aw shucks, it doesn't matter to me, I didn't really believe him. I think that's his coping mechanism for the fact that his accomplishments get downplayed by the snobs on the selection committee.

    I think the harsh words he had for that evil S.o.B. Red Auerbach back in the 70s are probably closer to what he really feels about this, too.

    http://www.remembertheaba.com/ABAArticles/PattisonArticleLeonard.html

    "That Auerbach thing bugs me, though," he added, getting back to the Celtics G.M.

    "He was quoted as saying that 'Julius Erving is a nice kid but not a great player.'

    That's ridiculous too. If they think George is doing a helluva job over there, wait until they see the Doctor. He'll be sensational. I can't understand the propaganda the NBA is putting out.

    "Things haven't changed any from when I was in the NBA. Auerbach was the biggest mouth in the league then and he still is.

    "What about the talent he's drafting? He selected Steve Downing (a center out of Indiana) and tried to make him a forward. He drafted Bill Green out of Colorado State 15 years ago and he didn't open the season. And also he drafted Clarence Glover of Western Kentucky. They were all number one choices and they all fizzled.

    "People tend to forget about them when you come up with a John Havlicek.

    "Listen, I'm not looking for anyone to think I'm a great coach. It's like I said before, when I'm through all I want people to say is that I was a winner."
    And my favorite...

    "Ask Kevin Loughery (New York Nets coach) and Rod Thorn (Spirits of St. Louis coach), they were my backcourt. Check Auerbach's record before the Bill Russell era. He never won a championship. The one thing about him is what one guy said to me quite a while ago: 'He's got the biggest mouth and the strongest hands in the NBA. He held onto Russell's jersey for 13 years.'

    "He can say all he wants but he was no tactician. He ran a low post with Russell -- that wasn't hard to figure out -- a fast break and with those guys (Bill Sharman, Bob Cousy, K.C. Jones, and Sam Jones) put a little pressure on the ball. There was nothing tactical from him. His comments are so ridiculous.

    "The point I'm trying to make is if you can coach, fine. It still takes talent to win. There are no geniuses in this business. There are some better than others. I always considered Red Holzman (New York Knicks coach) a great coach, but he's under a different situation without Willis Reed or Dave DeBusschere. The same with Larry Costello at Milwaukee without Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Oscar Robertson."

    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Good stuff, J. Thanks for digging it out.






    (Even though we all know you'd go into a burning building to find something bad about the Celtics.)


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    Oh, but this is not just the Celtics, but an anti-Auerbach special.

    (Yes, I keep it bookmarked. )
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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    Oh, but this is not just the Celtics, but an anti-Auerbach special.

    (Yes, I keep it bookmarked. )
    Putting on my conspiracy hat I do have to wonder with Slick not backing down to Red Auerbach during all those years if there was some black balling going on?

    I doubt that would be a factor now, but we're at a point the ABA is slowly fading from memory and picking up steam.
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    Mr. Boyle,

    If you are reading this, I would ask, if the opportunity presents itself, you to let Slick and the other ABA Pacers you may come in contact with that we consider the Hall of Fame to be incomplete...in fact, diminished by the insufficient homage given to their accomplishments. It is simply shameful that Slick, Mel, Big Mac, and Rajah do not have busts in Springfield. (This story is sadly true for many other ABA alums, as well.)

    I'd also like to emphasize that it in no way detracts or reflects poorly on the people who made the Pacers and the ABA a cherished part of Indiana's sports history. I would hope that the enduring gratitude and support of the Pacer faithful would provide some succor against any slights they have suffered from the nominating committees.

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    Bump.

    This should be bumped every year at this time. I know the HOF is ridiculous and strange, but I think it's tragic that Slick doesn't even get a mention for this. The HOF needs to get rid of it's ABA bias.

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    It's pathetic how this group operates in secrecy and with a blatant ABA prejudice.
    Or, It's pathetic how this group operates in secrecy and with a blatant anti-ABA bias.

    Just sayin'
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    Mr. Boyle,

    If you are reading this, I would ask, if the opportunity presents itself, you to let Slick and the other ABA Pacers you may come in contact with that we consider the Hall of Fame to be incomplete...in fact, diminished by the insufficient homage given to their accomplishments. It is simply shameful that Slick, Mel, Big Mac, and Rajah do not have busts in Springfield. (This story is sadly true for many other ABA alums, as well.)

    I'd also like to emphasize that it in no way detracts or reflects poorly on the people who made the Pacers and the ABA a cherished part of Indiana's sports history. I would hope that the enduring gratitude and support of the Pacer faithful would provide some succor against any slights they have suffered from the nominating committees.

    Thanks, count
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    I guess most people haven't noticed this bit of news, but the Hall of Fame now has an ABA committee that will now be selecting one person for enshrinement every year, starting this year. They don't go through the normal selection process though, so maybe that's why it's not widely known.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...l_N.htm?csp=34

    In an effort to create a better Basketball Hall of Fame, Colangelo said the Hall's selection process will expand to include an ABA committee and Early African-American Pioneers of the Game committee. A person from each group, plus the international and veteran's committee, will be inducted each year, starting this year. Those four inductees will also be announced April 4.
    If I read that correctly, there will be somebody from the ABA this year, and every year afterwards.

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    Or, It's pathetic how this group operates in secrecy and with a blatant anti-ABA bias.

    Just sayin'
    You realize bias can mean showing prejudice for or against someone or something, right?

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