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    Default Re: Top 50 Trade Value (espn Paul George, Danny, DC, )

    Roy's mentioned as well.

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    DeJuan Blair more trade value than Paul George?
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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    DeJuan Blair more trade value than Paul George?
    It's a fun exercise for entertainment. It's not to be taken as doctrine. Making a list like that is impossible to do with any sort of consensus. As always, I enjoyed the read.

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    Kendrick Perkins, Big Baby Davis, Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert (tie): Cheap (and competent) frontcourt labor. Special kudos to Hibbert for keeping me on my toes: Since Thanksgiving, I had him off the top 50, on the top 50, out of the column completely and now he's honorable mention after my boy Frank Vogel revived his career. Even Christina Aguilera's past 10 weeks were more stable -- and she mangled a Super Bowl national anthem, nearly face-planted at the Grammys and turned into bleached-blonde Snooki.



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    , D.J. Augustin, Jrue Holiday: Love the price for all three, but really, it's not life-altering to get 14-15 points, 5-6 assists and 35-36 percent shooting from a point guard. There's never been a deeper crew of point guards -- we go something like 20 strong, and that's not even counting the Ridnour/Blake/Udrih types. Remember the days when there were so few decent point guards that Eric Snow and Howard Eisley signed $40 million deals? No more. Long gone.

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    45. Paul Millsap
    44. Danny Granger
    43. Kevin Martin
    42. Nene
    41. Luis Scola
    40. Andrew Bogut

    These guys are like quality character actors: You want them in your movie or TV show as long as they're not the ones you're putting on the poster. Millsap, Scola and Martin: hard-working, efficient scorers who wound their teams defensively. Granger: a streak shooter who doesn't seem interested in being much more than that; it wasn't a coincidence that Coach K buried him on Team USA. Nene: a totally solid center who holds his own but can't carry his team for stretches at a time. Bogut: an expensive lottery center who gets you a double-double with three blocks but can't crack 50 percent from the field OR the charity stripe. Ask these guys to be anything more than your No. 3 or No. 4 guy and you won't be playing in June.

    The best comparison: Have you seen "Shameless" on Showtime? It totally has "Six Feet Under" potential, but there's a problem -- they built too much of the show around Bill Macy, who's in a perpetual overacting frenzy as the lead character, an abusive alcoholic father who can't stop screwing up the lives of his kids. With the right actor, it's a 60-win show and a possible 1-seed. With Macy, it's an 8-seed. He's awful in it. I don't blame Macy as much as Showtime for building the show around him -- they were hoping he had a Bryan Cranston gear in him, but he doesn't. And that goes for the last six guys, too. You want them in your indie movie, you want them as the No. 3 or No. 4 lead in your blockbuster … you don't want them on your poster.

    (Last thought: The Rockets had Yao and T-Mac for their poster, couldn't replace them after they broke down, then had no choice but to build around character actors -- a move that worked for the 2004 Pistons during the Great Talent Abyss of the mid-2000s but can't work in 2011 because the league is too loaded. Maybe the Rockets can't win a playoff series, but they could do some serious damage at Sundance.)
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    Wow. Calling Granger a No. 3 or No. 4 option seems a bit harsh. Also a bit dumb. If you have 3 or even 2 players that are better offensive options than Granger on your team then you are going to have one hell of a team.


    Most of us have been thinking that we could be a contender with the right combination of players that includes Granger as our No. 2 option.

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    Wow. Calling Granger a No. 3 or No. 4 option seems a bit harsh. Also a bit dumb. If you have 3 or even 2 players that are better offensive options than Granger on your team then you are going to have one hell of a team.


    Most of us have been thinking that we could be a contender with the right combination of players that includes Granger as our No. 2 option.
    No body in there right mined thinks we are a contender right now.

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    Granger is a 2 on an above average team and a 3 on a very good team. I think the Pacers are a special brew because we rely upon our depth more then almost anybody.

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    It's a fun exercise for entertainment. It's not to be taken as doctrine. Making a list like that is impossible to do with any sort of consensus. As always, I enjoyed the read.
    I did too. I was half-kidding. I read everything by Bill Simmons. My bad that I didn't make myself clear.
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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    These guys are gonna shock a lot of people.

    We're gonna be a contending team in a few years.

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    I just can't wait until we get a ball handler or some legit scorer that can get to rim at will. Someone who can take over the scoring load for Granger. This I think will really actually reveal Granger's value as a very good defender, great shooter, rebounder etc. I literally think he can do all of that. He's show before he can play great defense. He's a big guy that can grab more rebound if he's properly motivated.. We just have to get someone who can take over the scoring load.

    Lets all hope George can be that guy because if he his this team will be very good.

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    Decent list, but I agree, there were some highly questionable calls. I doubt there's a single GM in the league that would take Blair over Hibbert or George. Legitimate centers of Roy's skill-level are rare and George shows flashes of absolute brilliance already at 20 and in limited opportunity.

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    I did too. I was half-kidding. I read everything by Bill Simmons. My bad that I didn't make myself clear.
    It was actually more of a post for those who hadn't posted yet with similar thoughts. It could be an entire thread of "Simmons is an idiot no way should Player X be traded Player Y!"

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    Question for anyone... Would you trade a 1st and a expiring contract for Derrick Favors?

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    Question for anyone... Would you trade a 1st and a expiring contract for Derrick Favors?
    Does a bear **** in the woods? Of course I would do that. Why wouldn't you do that?

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    Just wondering... it seems like a lot of people don't like him or think he is a bust...

    Ok maybe this is a little more realistic 1st, Tyler, 2 expiring contracts....

    I still don't think this would get him but that is about all I would be willing to give up...

    I actually like him a lot, but still that would be all that I would give up for him, him and a 2nd

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    Just wondering... it seems like a lot of people don't like him or think he is a bust...

    Ok maybe this is a little more realistic 1st, Tyler, 2 expiring contracts....

    I still don't think this would get him but that is about all I would be willing to give up...

    I actually like him a lot, but still that would be all that I would give up for him, him and a 2nd
    I don't think we can get him without giving up Granger, and I don't like him enough to do that.

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    Question for anyone... Would you trade a 1st and a expiring contract for Derrick Favors?
    No way do the Nets pull that deal off, an expiring and a pick that most likely will be in the middle of the first. Also Favors was going to be the main component of the Melo deal so no way would they attempt that offer.

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    Wow. Calling Granger a No. 3 or No. 4 option seems a bit harsh. Also a bit dumb. If you have 3 or even 2 players that are better offensive options than Granger on your team then you are going to have one hell of a team.


    Most of us have been thinking that we could be a contender with the right combination of players that includes Granger as our No. 2 option.
    I've always say that Danny is like Rashard Lewis in Orlando and Lamar Odom in LA, really good player but if he is your 1st option you are screwed(like the Pacers).

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    I've always say that Danny is like Rashard Lewis in Orlando and Lamar Odom in LA, really good player but if he is your 1st option you are screwed(like the Pacers).


    Man, you are one seriously negative individual. I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with what you said, but let's see some optimism for a change!

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    You at least have to respect Simmons's knowledge of the NBA. His viewpoints are typically pretty accurate, even if he emphasizes the ****** out of Boston. He is knowledgable about the NBA as a fan just like most of us here.

    beast23... the thing about Granger is true.... shhhh.

    I would like to see the Pacers trade DC, DG, and 2011 and 2013 first round picks for Deron Williams. DWill, BRush, PGeorge, DWest, RHibbert. With your backups being Price, Stephenson, DJones, Hansborough, McRoberts (re-signed to 4 yr, ~$20M). The last five roster spots going to be 2011 Second, Foster (Two year near minimum contract and the last player signed with Bird Rights), Posey, Magnum Rolle (rookie minimum), empty roster spot...

    Then I would inquire if Orlando would trade me almost free agent Dwight Howard before next year's deadline to pair with DWill and PGeorge (for DWest, RHibbert, and our 2012 First).

    Simmons's article was hilarious. I really appreciate how well thought out this one was in particular. I can't imagine having a better job, although don't tell my employer.

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    Nice to see Simmons change his tune on George. He blasted Bird for taking him instead of Xavier Henry.
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    Man, you are one seriously negative individual. I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with what you said, but let's see some optimism for a change!
    It would be better to say your team wouldnt be very good if Granger is your #1 option. "Screwed" does seem a little strong. I dont want to be an optimist or pessimist - but a realist. I especially like reading posts from people who keep it real.

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    Every team that is better than the Pacers has at least one player who is better than Danny Granger. Quite a few have more than one. I think that is a pretty good clue that when he is your best player, you are basically screwed. You can make the playoffs but that is it. For all the talk about how we need to upgrade the PF or SG position, what really holds us back is that our best player isn't good enough.

    Hopefully Paul George becomes our best player in time because I think he has the ability to be a good enough best player for a good team.
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    Anyone notice how Bill Simmons called Frank Vogel his "boy"? Do they have some past relationship or history that we don't know about?

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