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    Default Re: NBA Owners, Union: unified they aren't.

    With so many teams losing money, I always wondered why they are standing behind Stern? Glad to see they aren't.

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    With so many teams losing money, I always wondered why they are standing behind Stern? Glad to see they aren't.
    Is Stern contributing to the owners losing money?

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    Is Stern contributing to the owners losing money?
    Um yes. He is the Commissioner of the league, he has let the salaries get like this. It's unacceptable for so many teams to be losing money.

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    If there is a lockout again then it's time for Stern to go. A major sport like the NBA locking out twice in a 13 year span is just unacceptable and the man at the top has to be held accountable.

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    If there is a lockout again then it's time for Stern to go. A major sport like the NBA locking out twice in a 13 year span is just unacceptable and the man at the top has to be held accountable.
    It's hard for a single individual to control greed just by himself.

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    It's hard for a single individual to control greed just by himself.
    Stern has fostered the current state of the league for over two decades. He is more than responsible for it getting out of control.

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    Stern has fostered the current state of the league for over two decades. He is more than responsible for it getting out of control.


    Exactly. I'm not saying Stern is 100% responsible for everything, but he certainly deserves a good chunk of the blame. Any commissioner whose league locks out twice in a 13 year span probably shouldn't be commissioner anymore.

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    If there is a lockout again then it's time for Stern to go. A major sport like the NBA locking out twice in a 13 year span is just unacceptable and the man at the top has to be held accountable.
    ADAM SILVER FOR NBA COMMISSIONER!!!!

    yeah i mean stern needs to do more for the nba not smile and kick back and watch

    he said he doesnt expect a lockout and quite frankly the nba is in better shape of not having a lockout than the nfl
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    ADAM SILVER FOR NBA COMMISSIONER!!!!

    yeah i mean stern needs to do more for the nba not smile and kick back and watch

    he said he doesnt expect a lockout and quite frankly the nba is in better shape of not having a lockout than the nfl
    I watch the second round of the draft for the sole purpose of watching that goober walk up to the podium 30 times. He's always got a silly grin on his face that makes me laugh.

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    I watch the second round of the draft for the sole purpose of watching that goober walk up to the podium 30 times. He's always got a silly grin on his face that makes me laugh.
    yeah and those douchebag new yorkers make it funnier

    especially when the 50th pick comes around and the few people without jobs are screaming drunk at him

    he speaks better than david stern

    david sterns been doing it for 30 something years and his voice gets all squealy or he stutters
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    I'm glad to see the owners are not behind Stern. They shouldn't be at this point. I hope the new CBA is good for all the owners.

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    This article further vindicates my personal perception of what Stern is really like. I'm an excellent judge of character, and that pompous *** has always rubbed me the wrong way. It's good to know my vitriol was not misplaced.

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    Not to mention allowing a crooked ref that the league had concerns about his gambling issues to CONTINUE reffing.......
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    Personally, I always thought that Stern's performance needed to be evaluated after he was more than okay with the Lakers "trading" for Gasol...

    Then again, I love a good conspiracy theory...

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    All of you have failed to acknowledge where the NBA was when Stern took over. The NBA was in serious trouble and was close to folding. No not just a few teams, but the whole league. Stern IMO is largely responsible for the success the NBA has had. He was the first to have an anti drug policy with drug testing. The NBA was the first to have a salary cap.

    If Stern retired right now he would go down in history as one of the top 2 or 3 all-time commisioners in any sport.

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    All of you have failed to acknowledge where the NBA was when Stern took over. The NBA was in serious trouble and was close to folding. No not just a few teams, but the whole league. Stern IMO is largely responsible for the success the NBA has had. He was the first to have an anti drug policy with drug testing. The NBA was the first to have a salary cap.

    If Stern retired right now he would go down in history as one of the top 2 or 3 all-time commisioners in any sport.

    The rise of Magic, Bird, and Jordan combined with the brilliant marketing of outside entities like Nike, Gatorade, and McDonalds is more important than anything Stern ever did.

    Stern's over-expansion ensured there would be an excess of bottom dwelling, money-losing teams.
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    All of you have failed to acknowledge where the NBA was when Stern took over. The NBA was in serious trouble and was close to folding. No not just a few teams, but the whole league. Stern IMO is largely responsible for the success the NBA has had. He was the first to have an anti drug policy with drug testing. The NBA was the first to have a salary cap.

    If Stern retired right now he would go down in history as one of the top 2 or 3 all-time commisioners in any sport.
    And he is also responsible for the state the league is in right now. You can't take the good without the bad.

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    And he is also responsible for the state the league is in right now. You can't take the good without the bad.
    Stern may have been a great commissioner 20 years ago, but it isn't 20 years ago anymore. Stern has stayed beyond his effectiveness.

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    Stern may have been a great commissioner 20 years ago, but it isn't 20 years ago anymore. Stern has stayed beyond his effectiveness.
    You're probably correct. The Stern that saved the NBA years ago compares poorly to the Stern that over reached putting teams in small markets that could not sustain the growth and demands of the sport.

    The fact is that Indy as good a b-ball town as there is in the U.S. can't compete with cities 5-6 0r even 10 times its size. Is this Stern's fault? I think there is plenty of fault to go around. The NBA is like much of American business. It gets too big to sustain itself and it has to shrink to survive.
    Salaries definitely have to shrink and franchises like NO have to disappear. Putting the nba in cities that have the NFL and/or MLB is problematical if the nba team is to sustain itself. Even a prosperous city like Seattle couldn't support three major league sports.

    Overall Stern was a good commissioner or these hard nose owners would have gotten rid of him years ago. You just don't push around mega millionaires and get away with it if you're not very good.
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    If Stern retired right now he would go down in history as one of the top 2 or 3 all-time commisioners in any sport.


    Any commissioner whose league locks out twice in a 13 year span (I realized it hasn't happened yet, but it seems more likely than not at this point) is definitely not a top 2 or 3 all-time commissioner.

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    But how much of that can be tied to the then ongoing Bird-Magic wars and the rise of Jordan though?
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    But how much of that can be tied to the then ongoing Bird-Magic wars and the rise of Jordan though?
    Certainly that is a large part of it.

    but in this thread many are blaming him for what is going Stern has fostered the current state of the league for over two decades. He is more than responsible for it getting out of control.- So if you are going to blame him for things that went on during his watch the he deserves credit
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    I think that Stern has mostly done well to fix the problems that have been plaguing the NBA. The fact that owners are willing to vastly overpay for role players has caused the current pay system to get out of control. This last summer would have been the ideal time for owners to not give out crazy contracts but it went on unabated, despite the fact that they would be heading into CBA negotiations.

    I think its pretty hard to make a sports league that is the highest quality in any sport, profitable across all of its teams. There are almost no profitable teams in the English Premier League and Spanish La Liga in soccer, despite some of those big clubs having some of the highest revenues in professional sports.

    I think the owners don't need a monumental change in the CBA to make the league profitable again. They just need to tweak the salary structures and overall money going to the players a bit. But the owners might get too greedy which would be a shame.

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    Stern let the nba grow in small markets that were just not sustainable. The players and owners were greedy, the lack of real revenue sharing, and the fear of antitrust lawsuits continue to put the owners in a bind.

    This problem is not going to be fixed merely by giving the players a smaller share. The same problem will reemerge but no one is going to really fix it.

    As UB said Stern did a lot of good things and that is why he has lasted so many years. The nba has to half their personnel budgets and reduce the number of unprofitable teams.

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