If anything I thought that if Jeff Foster would have played we would have won this game.
Chris Wilcox would not have had his own conga layup/dunk line going on and someone would have grabbed the rebound.
The fact that 104 year old Foster is this valuable say's two things. 1. He really has become a very good player. 2. We really really really need to be looking for a good backup center as the older Jeff gets the less available he is going to be.
You don't like Devin the Dude? Wow, you must not like rap. I enjoy good country, good rock, good rap, good whatever so I'm pretty eclectic in my music selection. I can understand some people not liking Devin the Dude, but if you listen to rap and/or hip hop and you don't like Devin the Dude you have a problem,
I will add my list of "excuses" for the loss:
1 ) Not having Foster next to Hansbrough made a huge difference. Solo tried to do his best impression...but Foster and Hansbrough has better chemistry and is a better fit together. Foster has more energy, is a WAY better rebounder, defender and scorer then Solo.
2 ) The integration of BRush into the Starting and/or the Goon Squad really affected the chemistry as both the lineups and the Player are getting used to each other.
3 ) Hibbert really kept us in the game. See what confidence does for a Player? I was screaming for everyone to get the ball to him in the 4th QTR cuz he was simply feeling it. As the Pistons announcers were saying...he was commanding a double Team...and is slowly getting to the point where he can be a reliable 1st/2nd scorer.
4 ) I'll attribute our really crappy OT play to lack of energy. The lineup was really tired IMHO...I think that it would have been helpful to switch out McBob and Dunleavy and put in Hansbrough and PG....I even think that putting in AJ for DC would have made a difference.
5 ) Stuckey posting up both AJ and DC....that was truly horrific...I don't even want to go into that. He was simply abusing them in the low post.
For those that complained about the effort....after playing the Heat where we essentially fought our way back and lost in the last 3 minutes of the game....we played the next night, trailed the vast majority of the game on the Road and fought back to tie the game in the 4th QTR to force the game to OT. We lost the game in a pitiful OT....but I just think we ran out of gas at the end. Nothing to be ashamed of.
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There are folks that still want to see him traded. Well, without another big that can back up Hibbert much better than Solo can, say goodbye to the 8th seed. Don't want him re-signed? Better get with Bird about getting another big next season.
Having said all of this, I am thrilled with how Josh has been developing.
Not to make excuses for Collison, but he's actually on his fifth coach in one and a half years. Byron Scott, Jeff Bower, and Monty Williams (Summer League), and then the two coaches here.
Regarding the loss, I couldn't believe this team was within striking distance all night despite playing some really terrible basketball. I mean, some really awful basketball. They win this if Jeff Foster plays despite how poorly they played, simple as that.
Not to hijack the thread or anything, but I've been spinning records for about 12 years now (mostly hip hop), and Devin is not even close to being in the discussion for top 15.
Off the top of my head...
Cube (pre hollywood of course)
Puffy (of course im kidding, devin does have the edge here)
As far as the game goes, i am extremely dissapointed with the loss tonight. Even considering the back to back/tough game the previous night factor, these are the games we need to start winning consistently if we are to "turn the corner" so to speak. Doubly bad headed into the all star break. Woulda been great for the team going into the break to pull out a game like this where they clawed back into it, sent it to ot and got the dub. I think it would have really sent them into a high going into all star weekend.
With that being said, i am still very happy with the direction we are going and the improvement we have all seen the past 10 games. Making the playoffs this year, if we can pull it off, will give our young guys a tiny taste of what its like to play under the bright lights and be a great learning experience for them in my opinion. We have the 20 mil and empty roster spots to play with this upcoming summer, things are generally looking more up than they have in quite some time.
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What exactly are you disagreeing with me over? I am saying Foster is great, I'm just saying we need to add another big man to help out for exactly cases like this and frankly for when Jeff can't go anymore.
Better to have that person now, in fact another big banger could help extend Jeff's career.
In this game alone I believe Foster not being there was the difference between winning and losing.
Im looking forward to see how they come out after the all star break. This is our first "bump" with Vogel - lets see how they recover
I saw a team that was tired. Flat tired.
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Here is a question for those who saw the games. Dunleavy started the last two games, but was pulled after a few disastrous minutes. Without those disastrous minutes at the beginning of the game, would we have won both games?
I understand that Dunleavy can bring a lot to the offensive effort, including things that do not show up in the stats, when he is "on." But here is the next question, if he is not traded soon, shouldn't we be using him, not as a sixth man, but as an eleventh man, an offensive booster as needed for the back-up squad? He probably would not hurt our defensive effort as badly in that role.
For much of this year people have talked about our biggest need being the PF position, but I think that talk has settled down a bit with the emergence of the McRoberts/Hansbrough combo.
And then you mentioned how we need another back up center, and that's the answer! That's the one position we AREN'T very deep, especially given Foster's age and suspect durability at this point. I would have guessed that he's older than 34, so he may have a few more good years left in him as a back up C, but looking for another quality C would be a good idea right now.
What I don't want to see is Hibbert being forced to carry the load at C all by himself. Draft a C now, or trade for a quality back up, and get deeper along the frontline.
Could you post the "6 mil dollar man's" stats from last season? Same with the 1st 17 games of this season too. It's easy to spend 12.6 mil of someone else's money for a part time employee isn't it?
I will agree Foster has been "contributing this season when he's been able to play". Bird overpaid for Foster's services, and it has cost Herb Simon millions doing so. If Bird re-signs Foster, it had better be for the vets minimum with Foster's age and history of health issues. Otherwise, he's overpaying Foster again.
And yes, the Pacers need another big, not next year but NOW. There is no guarantee Foster won't have another injury, and Solo isn't the answer.
This team needs an upgrade at SG immediately. We just aren't getting any sort of consistency from that position. I'd look to trade both Dunleavy and Rush for a solid SG who can give you points and defend.
The rotation needs to be
New player/ George/ Jones.
Until then move Dunleavy into the second unit to back up Danny at the SF. Minimize his exposure to good players who make him look like the worst Starting SG in the league.