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    Default The Honeymoon is Over; How will they respond?

    Well, it's happened. The Pacers have lost 2 games in a row and have lost their first game to a team lower than them in the standings. The Honeymoon phase of the Frank Vogel experience is over.

    Sure the losses are understandable. Miami is a title contender and the Pistons game was the second of a back-to-back on the road. I'm not ringing the alarms here. I'm simply saying that many of us knew the Pacers would have a surge under coach Vogel, partly because of the "newness factor" or "honeymoon effect".

    It helps that Vogel is a good motivator and communicator. His positive attitude and changes in the lineup have been effective in the team's production. He seems to do well with the 'Xs' and 'Os' of the game and his in game adjustments show he believes in going with the hot hand - another welcome change. Still a lot of the increase in production has to be attributed to the new lease on life the players are experiencing from being out from under Jim O'Brien's thumb.

    After a 2 game losing streak and the All-Star weekend, all of that good-feeling momentum will be gone. How they react against Washington, Detroit, Utah, Phoenix, and Golden State could be the defining moments of the season. Should they lose to Washington and god-forbid Detroit at home, they will be putting themselves into a hole that they might not be able to climb out of. Their confidence could go from the attic to the cellar in less than week's time.

    This is the prime time for them to take control of their Playoff fate. They have a 4-game homestand after playing Washington. If they can string some wins together, they will have built up some momentum and quality wins that could lead them on a special run (like Golden State a few years ago) to finish the season. If they sputter and go 3-2 or worse during this stretch, it might be enough for Charlotte and Milwaukee to get back into the race.

    How do you think the team will respond? What do they need to change to get that fire and drive back after that slight blow to their confidence (ie, the loss to Detroit)?
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    Default Re: The Honeymoon is Over; How will they respond?

    someone needs to step up and become our closer. we have severe problems scoring in crunch time.

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    Default Re: The Honeymoon is Over; How will they respond?

    Was there really a honeymoon period or did this team just play a bad game after an extremely tough game the night before? Give them a day of rest and this team probably wins.

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    someone needs to step up and become our closer. we have severe problems scoring in crunch time.
    I think you're callin for TJ Ford aren't ya? He can create is own shot better than most on the team.

    The honeymoon may have come to an end, but i certainly don't think it's time for panic mode. The played very poorly on the road, should have been blown out and still forced overtime. They put a lot of effort and heart into that comeback against the heat and I just saw a tired team out there.

    I think the all star break come at a good time for them. They've had a little bit of a rollercoaster ride this season, with the coaching change and everything else. It'll give them a break and they'll be ready to come back and make a playoff push.

    I still like the young team we've got and I still think Vogel is a winner. I'm still optimistic.

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    If is not broken we shouldn't fix it, I promise ...........(green)
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    it will be interesting to see what [if any] changes vogel makes during the all star break.

    will he stick to the 10 man rotation?

    will dunleavy be moved to the bench?

    if so, will george or rush replace him in the starting lineup?

    will djones continue to get minutes at the wing?

    what changes will be made to the defense?

    i expect some tweaks, but not a lot of wholesale changes. personally i would like to see more brandon rush, more paul george, less mike dunleavy and less dahntay jones in the wing rotation. basically go to a 9 man rotation, 2 PG's, 3 wings, 2 PF's and 2 C's. paul george is a regular rotation guy and let lance be the guy that gets developmental minutes at PG and SG. at least 10 mpg.

    unless/until the pacers trade for another big. in that case, only a 3 big rotation. player X, roy hibbert and either josh, jeff or tyler. but i would be ok with the current big rotation.

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    someone needs to step up and become our closer. we have severe problems scoring in crunch time.
    I think part of our problem is Granger is our "closer." Not saying he's a bad player, but we seem to give it to him and tell him to make something happen, and he's not that type of player. It's causing us to lose our offensive flow, and Granger has a habit of using lots of clock, shooting poor shots or turning over the ball in traffic. I think Granger as our first option is fine, but we seem to be forcing it as our only option, and that's a recipe for failure. If it's not there he needs to keep the offense moving, not hold the ball for 10 seconds or force an off-balance drive through traffic.

    I'm hoping some practice time will help to solve these problems and implement so other options come closing time.

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    I think part of our problem is Granger is our "closer." Not saying he's a bad player, but we seem to give it to him and tell him to make something happen, and he's not that type of player. It's causing us to lose our offensive flow, and Granger has a habit of using lots of clock, shooting poor shots or turning over the ball in traffic. I think Granger as our first option is fine, but we seem to be forcing it as our only option, and that's a recipe for failure. If it's not there he needs to keep the offense moving, not hold the ball for 10 seconds or force an off-balance drive through traffic.

    I'm hoping some practice time will help to solve these problems and implement so other options come closing time.
    granger as our closer is a serious problem.

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    it might be enough for Charlotte and Milwaukee to get back into the race.

    Charlotte is nowhere close to being out of the race at the present time. This team after losing to the Pacers have defeated Boston and Atlanta, and are currently only ONE game behind the Pacers now. The Pacers are the ones looking over their shoulder feeling the Bobcats breathing on them.

    What I find amusing is that last year I started a thread b4 the last game of the season about Livingston as a Pacer, and during the summer I was in favor of acquiring Augustin. I won't be a happy camper if they knock the Pacers out of the playoffs, but I will smile if they do make playoffs with those 2 as their PG. Paul Silas has done a tremendous job as HC after taking over for Larry Brown. You can bet Henderson sure appreciates Silas as the HC!

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    Charlotte is nowhere close to being out of the race at the present time. This team after losing to the Pacers have defeated Boston and Atlanta, and are currently only ONE game behind the Pacers now. The Pacers are the ones looking over their shoulder feeling the Bobcats breathing on them.
    I didn't mean to imply that the Bobcats are currently out of the race. If the Pacers don't respond well and realize that the change in the coach won't magically sustain them the rest of the season, the Bobcats will probably leap frog them. Milwaukee could get on a roll as well and pass them if they don't string together some more wins and get to .500.

    I don't mind using Granger as our closer but he should be running off double-screens like they used to do with Reggie to get catch-and-shoot opportunities. That's when he's at his best.
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    Yesterday's game was pretty frustrating... but it was the second of a back to back after a tough game + right before All-Star break. Kind of like how the Lakers loss was the last of 5 in 7 nights and before the break. Not much to worry about.

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    Honeymoon isn't over until you've had your first fight. We are still giving Vogel a pass, so while the vacation may be over, the honeymoon period lives on!

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    Someone needs to combine my thread entitled the honeymoon is officially over thank you

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    Default Re: The Honeymoon is Over; How will they respond?

    The All Star break is coming at an opportune time. The players will have a chance to get ther legs back and recuperate from any dings they might have, which should lead to a pretty high energy level when they resume play, hopefully.

    If this is what having the honeymoon period over with means, just a couple of close losses, the team is in really good shape. I hope that this is true!

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