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    Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

    http://nba.fanhouse.com/2011/02/13/d...nto-kings-nba/

    Originally posted by Fan House

    Kings Remove DeMarcus Cousins From Team Plane Following Altercation
    By Sam Amick



    SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Kings rookie forward DeMarcus Cousins was removed from team plane bound for Phoenix after an altercation with teammate Donte Greene, according to two sources close to the organization.

    The incident, which was first reported by FanHouse, immediately followed a loss to Oklahoma City on Saturday night. Cousins, who had overcome early-season struggles of the performance and personality variety recently, is expected to be suspended for at least one game. Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie did not immediately return a call for comment.

    According to the sources, Cousins (whose postgame interview can be seen here) was furious at the last play in which Tyreke Evans missed a three-pointer in the final seconds of regulation that would have won the game. Cousins, who had been calling for the ball in the post in the final possession, watched angrily as Greene inbounded the ball to Evans for the final shot.

    After the buzzer, he ran the length of the court to catch up to Evans and Greene and was letting his opinions be known as he blew by them to enter the locker room. According to the sources, Greene and Cousins began exchanging words inside the locker room. The situation then escalated, with both players taking swings at each other before they were separated.

    Petrie, according to the sources, made the decision to remove Cousins from the plane and will decide on Sunday how to proceed. It was a decision that was not popular with at least one member of the team, as one of the sources said veteran swingman Francisco Garcia argued vehemently for Cousins to remain on the plane before relenting when he was told his fight was futile.

    There is certainly a bigger picture to consider for the Kings, though, as their volatile 20-year-old who was taken fifth overall in the June draft clearly has no plans to keep quiet about what ails the team. The situation has become nothing short of a power struggle between the rookie and the reigning Rookie of the Year, with Cousins' improved play of late giving him the gumption to question the way in which Evans is so often given carte blanche control of scenarios such as these.

    As first reported by FanHouse, Kings coach Paul Westphal had voiced his frustrations with Evans in a postgame locker room scene on Monday for the way in which he handled Utah's zone defense late in a loss. Yet Westphal and Evans met the following day, according to Evans, at which time the player said Westphal smoothed the matter over and they came to an unofficial agreement regarding the team's late-game approach.

    "We're on the same page," Evans told FanHouse on Wednesday. "(Westphal) knows when it's time, when the game is on the line, give me the ball and (I'll) try to make a play."

    Evans fell short against Dallas on Wednesday, though, driving into the teeth of the Mavericks' defense before his shot was blocked by Tyson Chandler with 12 second remaining and the Kings trailing by two points. Cousins, as he has now made clear, is of the opinion that he should receive strong consideration for such crucial moments.

    Still, his latest blow-up is a significant setback to a season that had an inauspicious start. Cousins was fined $5,000 by the team in October for exchanging words with strength and conditioning coach Daniel Shapiro. The run-in took place just days after he and assistant coach Truck Robinson had a heated disagreement during practice that earned Cousins Petrie's ire.

    Then on Nov. 29, Cousins was kicked out of practice by Westphal after exchanging words with the head coach. On Dec. 23, he lost his starting job temporarily after making a choking gesture to Golden State's Reggie Williams while he was at the free throw line late in a Dec. 21 game. Westphal deemed the behavior unprofessional, and said Cousins wouldn't start again until he raised his standards of conduct.

    Cousins had been on good behavior since then, however, and his production saw a spike from November to December that had continued right on into January. In the 22 games since Dec. 29, Cousins has averaged 17.3 points (46.1 percent shooting) and nine rebounds.
    The kid seems like a horrible teammate. If i were a kings fan i'd be wary to build a team around him :/
    Last edited by rel; 02-13-2011, 10:58 AM.
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    Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

    KNUCKLEHEAD!

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      Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

      I was watching the game, and I'll believe it. He threw a fit on the floor as the buzzer sounded. He jumped around and threw his arms up. So he was mad because Donte passed the ball to the guy who kept them in the game? Tyreke was the only reason they had a chance. He scored like 10 points in a row in the last few minutes.

      What a crybaby. This dude is a loser. Supreme talent, but I'm glad we didn't draft him.

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        Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

        Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
        I was watching the game, and I'll believe it. He threw a fit on the floor as the buzzer sounded. He jumped around and threw his arms up. So he was mad because Donte passed the ball to the guy who kept them in the game? Tyreke was the only reason they had a chance. He scored like 10 points in a row in the last few minutes.

        What a crybaby. This dude is a loser. Supreme talent, but I'm glad we didn't draft him.
        Yeah I saw that as well. Evans actually got a decent look from 3 to win the game, and then you see Cousins storming down the court upset! The camera went off of him, but I remained curious as to what happened.

        Now I know. He's a hothead... always will be

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        • #5
          Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

          Aren't we glad our pick was 10th and we didn't even bother having to choose Cousins in the top 5 pick?

          Winning late to move late in the draft must be for this purpose.

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          • #6
            Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

            J.R. Rider 2
            Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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            • #7
              Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

              He's a damn headcase and he's been like that since Kentucky. I'm glad hes not on the pacers.
              Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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              • #8
                Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

                Also, Nenad Kristic at least judging from that pic needs to face reality and shave his head.

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                • #9
                  Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

                  While I agree with the possible suspension, I still think how they removed him from the plane was inappropriate.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

                    I'm fine about him being removed from the plane. There is no guarantee Cousins wouldn/t have continued his tantrum on the plane. Maybe starting getting in a fight on the flight hurting someone.

                    I not sure Westphal has a good grip on handling players.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

                      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                      I'm fine about him being removed from the plane. There is no guarantee Cousins wouldn/t have continued his tantrum on the plane. Maybe starting getting in a fight on the flight hurting someone.
                      I agree. Someone going crazy on a plane is not a good idea.
                      "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

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                      • #12
                        Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

                        I'm curious about the "removed from plane" part. This happened right after a home game, and there was plenty of time to take action. Why would he be removed instead of told not to come before he boards the plane - or leaves his house even?
                        Don't get me wrong, what Cousins did was very unprofessional, but that would be unprofessional by the management too.

                        Wording on espn sounds more like he was told not to come, instead of getting on the plane and being "removed". So maybe this story is just inaccurate.

                        http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6118009

                        BTW, this statement from Evans is as curious as what Cousins said to Greene:

                        As first reported by FanHouse, Kings coach Paul Westphal had voiced his frustrations with Evans in a postgame locker room scene on Monday for the way in which he handled Utah's zone defense late in a loss. Yet Westphal and Evans met the following day, according to Evans, at which time the player said Westphal smoothed the matter over and they came to an unofficial agreement regarding the team's late-game approach.

                        "We're on the same page," Evans told FanHouse on Wednesday. "(Westphal) knows when it's time, when the game is on the line, give me the ball and (I'll) try to make a play."
                        Very very mentally messed up team. Can we get a hidden camera stream from that locker room?

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                          Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

                          Also, if you check the espn link, Geoff Petrie wasn't anywhere near the airport. And according to the Fan House article, it was Petrie who made the decision.
                          So yeah, the whole "removed from plane" story seems like a fluke. Just a usual "stay at home, wait for suspension" story.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

                            Pretty soon we'll read an article about how much Cousins has changed and how he's maturing so much. Rinse, repeat.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Kings Remove Cousins from team plane after altercation

                              a coach who lets a soph run his team at crunch is not doing what he is paid for, horrible!
                              So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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