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    Indiana Pacers coach Frank Vogel is always trying to figure out ways to get the most out of his players.

    He showed them a scene from the movie "Rocky II" last week and had a list of the NFL's best lockdown cornerbacks on a board prior to the Pacers' game at Miami earlier this week.

    Now he wants his team to emulate the offensive system of the Boston Celtics even though there are no Paul Pierces, Ray Allens, Kevin Garnetts or Rajon Rondos on the roster.

    "I watch every playoff game. I watch the Celtics go on their runs. I watch the Lakers,'' Vogel said. "I watch teams who are successful and I try to figure out how we can do what they do. It's not all talent."

    The Celtics have become a premier team by sharing the scoring load. They space the court and move the ball.

    The first thing Vogel did when he took over as coach last week was simplify his team's offense. The Pacers spent most of their practice time earlier this week working on Boston's offense.

    "We've shown them a lot of tape of (Boston) the last few days. That has nothing to do with Hall of Fame talent," Vogel said. "It's just how they play. They play an unselfish brand of basketball. (Celtics coach) Doc Rivers has them playing as a team, and that's what I'm trying to install here."

    The early results have been promising.

    At least three players each night have attempted 10 or more shots in all six games under Vogel. They have scored at least 100 points in all six games.

    The Pacers, 5-1 since Vogel took over for Jim O'Brien, host the Minnesota Timberwolves tonight at Conseco Fieldhouse.

    "I'm blown away at how well our guys are picking up the concepts of just passing and spacing," Vogel said. "We are moving the basketball. It's almost like a passing clinic, the way we're passing the ball. I'm very proud of our guys."

    Spreading the scoring load also has made the Pacers less predictable.

    Danny Granger still leads the team in scoring, but Darren Collison, Dahntay Jones and Roy Hibbert also have been productive.

    "It's an equal opportunity offense," Collison said. "You can't predict that only one guy is going to get the ball. There are so many guys who can create for themselves and we have a lot of great shooters on the team."

    Better spacing on the court and strong perimeter shooting have helped transform the Pacers into an inside-out team again.

    Hibbert has scored at least 15 points in four of the past six games, including tying his career high of 29 Wednesday night against Charlotte.

    "We run a play. If that sequence isn't open, coach wants us to throw the ball in the post and let me go to work," Hibbert said. "Coach wants us to be like Boston in terms of our efficiency and passing the ball. We just started, so I think we'll get better."
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    I love what Hibbert said in bold thats good news. Run the play if not open feed the post. Opposed to chucking 3s

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    Hire this man, yesterday.

    Seriously, the NBA coaching is a young man's game, and he's got some great tools to grow as a coach.

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    Hire this man, yesterday.

    Seriously, the NBA coaching is a young man's game, and he's got some great tools to grow as a coach.
    I agree, and I don't want to crown Vogel prematurely, but I prefer him over Mike Brown. Just a gut feeling.

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    I'm still in wait-and-see mode with Vogel. I want to see if he can keep this team motivated and focused the rest of the season before I start touting him as the permanent head coach.

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    Hire this man, yesterday.

    Seriously, the NBA coaching is a young man's game, and he's got some great tools to grow as a coach.
    What about Jackson and all his rings?

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    What about Jackson and all his rings?
    Pop and Jackson are members of a dying breed. A fraternity that got one man smaller yesterday.

    Plus Jackson started winning as a young coach, no?

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    How can we possibly be "spacing the court"? We no longer employ a "stretch 4" and we don't use the 3 as our primary scoring threat for the purposes of creating space. How in the world can we possibly be "spacing the court"?

    Blasphemy I tell you...blasphemy.



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    Boston's offense.

    I love Boston's offense.

    I love the motivation tactics too.

    I'm still waiting to see on how he does with adjustments..but really, I think Vogel has "it" as a coach.

    I'm almost as excited to watch him grow as a coach for the rest of the season, as I am to watch the players grow.

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    Boston's offense.

    I love Boston's offense.

    I love the motivation tactics too.

    I'm still waiting to see on how he does with adjustments..but really, I think Vogel has "it" as a coach.

    I'm almost as excited to watch him grow as a coach for the rest of the season, as I am to watch the players grow.
    Great point, I have to agree. I am very interested in watching our young players and our young coach grow throughout the rest of the season. I really hope we make the playoffs so we can see what these guys are really made of.

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    I love what Frank is doing.

    But am I the only one that gets a little sick with all of these Boston connections the Pacers seem to make?? Makes you feel a little bit dirty if you ask me.

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    I love what Frank is doing.

    But am I the only one that gets a little sick with all of these Boston connections the Pacers seem to make?? Makes you feel a little bit dirty if you ask me.
    I couldn't care less about any connections. I like that we are modeling ourselves after a winning team and a winning franchise. I don't really get why that bothers people, but to each his own.

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    I couldn't care less about any connections. I like that we are modeling ourselves after a winning team and a winning franchise. I don't really get why that bothers people, but to each his own.
    I just picture in my mind us trailing after the Celtics picking up their leftovers. Probably just me. If we keep winning though, I won't complain

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    Pop and Jackson are members of a dying breed. A fraternity that got one man smaller yesterday.

    Plus Jackson started winning as a young coach, no?
    I will take your word for it. He hasn't been young since I have been watching basketball(Jordan). I just want to point out that the majority of championship coaches this decade have been older. Nothing against younger coaches but the older ones deserve some respect..

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    The Pacers are the Jamaican bobsled team and the Celtics are the Swiss.

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    Seriously, the NBA coaching is a young man's game, and he's got some great tools to grow as a coach.
    Like the +/- stat?
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    I will take your word for it. He hasn't been young since I have been watching basketball(Jordan). I just want to point out that the majority of championship coaches this decade have been older. Nothing against younger coaches but the older ones deserve some respect..
    Phill was hired by the BUlls when he as 44. Pretty young.

    Jerry Sloan took over the Jazz when he was 46, had his first job when he was 37 though.

    Pop was 47.

    Mike Brown's a young coach too IMO.

    I'm just sayin' I have zero interest in hiring someone over the age of 50. JOB was 55 when we brought him in.

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    Like the +/- stat?
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    B/c it's a tool, not THE tool. (JOB show)
    I guess I missed that joke.

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    Phill was hired by the BUlls when he as 44. Pretty young.

    Jerry Sloan took over the Jazz when he was 46, had his first job when he was 37 though.

    Pop was 47.

    Mike Brown's a young coach too IMO.

    I'm just sayin' I have zero interest in hiring someone over the age of 50. JOB was 55 when we brought him in.
    There isn't an old coach i want either. When I was a kid Bulls/Purdue games were about all the basketball I watched. Growing up (until I was a teenager or so) almost exclusively watching the Bulls team (thank you WGN) in the NBA probably gave me some of my motivation to say something positive about Phil. Thanks for the history lesson.
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    I'm still in wait-and-see mode with Vogel. I want to see if he can keep this team motivated and focused the rest of the season before I start touting him as the permanent head coach.
    I agree, but so far he has made a very strong case for it. I hope he keeps it up.

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    Great point, I have to agree. I am very interested in watching our young players and our young coach grow throughout the rest of the season. I really hope we make the playoffs so we can see what these guys are really made of.
    One of the greatest things about Vogel, which JOB clearly didn't get, was that he understands his players are people..and that a coaching job is partially a job as a psychologist. But you can't forget the basketball side either.

    The best coaches are those that recognize both, Phil and Pop are the obvious examples. You just won't be successful as a coach if you are one or the other. (With JOB obviously being the statstics side, and possibly Mike Brown being the players guy. Although you could argue that he never got the chance to show his basketball side.)

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    I love what Frank is doing.

    But am I the only one that gets a little sick with all of these Boston connections the Pacers seem to make?? Makes you feel a little bit dirty if you ask me.
    I understand what you are saying, and in part have to agree.

    However, in this case I like the idea that we have a coach who is willing to say "Here is an idea from someone else who has done darn well with it, and I want to see how well we can use it." as opposed to a coach that thinks they are the all-knowing, don't even think about suggesting something else type.

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    I understand what you are saying, and in part have to agree.

    However, in this case I like the idea that we have a coach who is willing to say "Here is an idea from someone else who has done darn well with it, and I want to see how well we can use it." as opposed to a coach that thinks they are the all-knowing, don't even think about suggesting something else type.
    Yeah, I just wish it wasn't the Celtics we were imitating . If anything we need to try and match their defense. KG isn't nearly the force he used to be and Perkins excluded, I think they manage outstanding defense with very average individual talent on that end.

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