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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

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For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

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  • For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

    After reading the thread about the Locker Room Restaurant and seeing that there were a couple people interested in cheap courtside seats but unsure of how to get them, I figured I'd post this. After all, it was some helpful PacersDigest members who helped me out when I first started my journey to sit courtside.

    Courtside Section 11, Row 1
    I'm putting this in a section aside from everything else, because this is the best deal I've ever seen. I don't know if it's a company selling their season tickets or what, but these seats have a face value of $603.14 after taxes. Front row along the baseline, Pacers are up close and personal in the second half. We were in this row yesterday and during that 4th quarter, it was just electric being there.

    On TicketsNow.com, which I will vouch for as a reputable website (I believe it's owned by TicketMaster to compete with StubHub), there are 2-4 tickets in this row for games for most of the rest of the season for ~$100 a ticket. Marquee opponents, it's higher, obviously. But for the Toronto game, we paid $75 a ticket, Charlotte we paid $82, Minnesota tomorrow we paid $90, and Philly in March I think we paid a little over $100. After fees, it goes up by about $10-$15 a ticket, but it's still a ridiculously good price.

    To get the absolute best price on these seats, wait throughout the week. The Minnesota game at the beginning of the week was $130, when we ordered a little bit ago it was down to $90. The sellers get more desperate to get some value back as the game approaches. My advice though, is don't sit on it for too long. I was going to get tickets to the GSW game on 3/1, they were insanely cheap as is (Around $100), and they got bought. Lesson learned.

    All the other slightly less, but still incredible courtside seats

    3 things here - Ticketsnow.com/Stubhub, Craigslist, and scalpers. On TicketsNow, aside from 11/1, there are some still great seats at half the price. Lots of 15/2's, 11/4's, 16/2's. Usually the tickets are around $50-$70. So if you're just looking for the best price point, here it is. My GF and I have just been sitting in 11/1 as much as possible because there's such a limited quantity, and who knows if they'll be available next year. But lots of STH's seem to sell their 2nd and 3rd row seats, and they're beyond cheap compared to what you'd expect. StubHub, I've noticed, doesn't seem to have as many courtside seats, but every now and then they pop up.

    Craigslist is a good bet, but there's a lot of spam. What I do is go to indianapolis.craigslist.org, click on Tickets, and then filter it "By Owner" (option is in the top left of the screen). That way you're only dealing with real local people, and not 3rd-rate broker sites. People tend to want damn near face value. What I do is email them, explain that I'm not trying to lowball them, and then offer them the same price that's available on TicketsNow for comparable tickets. Some people seem to think their tickets are made of gold and will get an attitude when you offer them fair market value, but there are also a lot of reasonable people who will sell at the TicketsNow price. That way you save on the fees buying from websites.

    Lastly, SCALPERS. THEY ARE GREAT. We went to the New Jersey game a couple weeks back and a scalper went down to $50 on tickets in section 17 row 2. If you've never dealt with them, just ask them if they've got courtside, if they do, ask how much, then act disinterested. At the Nets game, I had no tickets. The guy wanted $200 for the 17/2 seats, I told him no thanks, and I had some club tickets at will call I would just use. It was about 20 minutes before the game, and he was clearly desperate to get rid of them. He game down greatly, and we got a great price. This has worked like clockwork for us. If you're not comfortable going without tickets (I actually don't recommend it), just buy the best priced lower level tickets you can find, go to the game, and tell them you want to upgrade to courtside. Other courtside games we've sat in row 2 and 1A for less than $70 a pop. I will say that I've never ran into a scalper with row 1 tickets though, so if that's what you're after - I wouldn't bet on it. Though I may be wrong. The ones on the Pennsylvania side, in my experience, have been a lot better to deal with.

    Hopefully this helps, I kind of had to write it in a hurry since I've got some stuff to do tonight. Just wanted to help people know where to look. If anything's vague in here, just reply and I or probably someone else can answer. My goal is to see some Pacers fans in 11/1 and down by the floor, instead of all these suits. (Nothing against the suits though)

    Lastly, some motivation for anyone on the fence.


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    Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

    I just got section 11 row 4 tickets for $70 to the suns game on the 27th. That's by the visitors tunnel isnt it?

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      Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

      Hey thanks for the tips, I'm sure you saw my post in the other thread, and for most of my time spent going to Pacers games we'll get courtside tickets off the streets or off the internet, thanks for the heads up with the post.
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        Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

        Originally posted by Pacersalltheway10 View Post
        I just got section 11 row 4 tickets for $70 to the suns game on the 27th. That's by the visitors tunnel isnt it?
        yes

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          Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

          I seen some for the game on friday the other day on ebay that sold for like 105 for the pair i think...almost bought them but i have to work tomorrow night.

          Ill have to check out that site though thanks for the heads up
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            Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

            reading some reviews on TicketsNow.com makes me scared to use them.

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              Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

              Originally posted by huber14 View Post
              reading some reviews on TicketsNow.com makes me scared to use them.
              I wouldn't be. I've used them 5 or 6 times now and never had a problem. I read some reviews prior to using them, most of the negative ones were from people who didn't understand they were buying tickets on a resale market, so they paid well above face value then were upset. But in this case, they're cheaper.

              And I checked, they are owned by TicketMaster. A crappy company in its own right, but at least legitimate.

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                Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

                Anybody knows were I can find low level tickets for the Miami game at a good price? I'm looking to buy two.
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                  Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

                  People are asking crazy prices for the Miami game, I'm seeing people wanting $150 for tickets in the back of the club level. I love club level seats, but not at that price. Best bet for Miami game, in all seriousness, is probably just to go the game if you live in Indy and see what the scalpers have. As it gets closer to tipoff and they realize they'll have some unsold tickets, the prices will probably shoot down.

                  Unless the game totally sells out, I have no idea if the Heat have enough of a presence to fill Conseco on a Tuesday night in winter.

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                    Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

                    Originally posted by smj887 View Post
                    After reading the thread about the Locker Room Restaurant and seeing that there were a couple people interested in cheap courtside seats but unsure of how to get them, I figured I'd post this. After all, it was some helpful PacersDigest members who helped me out when I first started my journey to sit courtside.
                    Man, candidate for post of the year!

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                    • #11
                      Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

                      This post is very close to my heart. Reminds me of all my "dirty work" last season trying to find great seats on the cheap. Very well done smj887, fun read.

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                      • #12
                        Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

                        Actually, $150 for club level isn't bad unless it's in the corners. I don't think that's too much higher than face value, and for the Heat game, it's difficult to see prices falling all the way down or below face.

                        I've been watching StubHub. They went from about 5 pages of Heat ticket listings a couple of weeks ago to less than one page of ticket listings tonight.

                        I think this will be one of the few games where the scalpers actually make a lot of money this season.

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                          Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

                          For those that use ticketsnow.com make sure to use the promo code FREESHIPNOW to get free shipping! I just got some tickets and it saved me $15.

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                            Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

                            Thanks for the post. Basically it's like another stubhub no?

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                              Re: For anyone interested: Getting cheap courtside tickets

                              Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                              Thanks for the post. Basically it's like another stubhub no?
                              Pretty much, with a worse interface and higher fees. But in my experience they've got the better seats, and the prices are lower (which helps to offset the fees difference).

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