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    With former Pacers coach Jim O'Brien. Weeks before he would be fired by the Pacers, O'Brien referred back to his decision to win games at the end of last season; Indiana finished 10-4 over the final month, while other teams appeared to tank games in hopes of improving their position for the draft lottery: "It would be impossible for me to do it. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't do it. I don't know how you could ever look at a player in the eye if you're not giving yourself the best chance of winning."

    So you and team president Larry Bird never had a conversation about losing on purpose?

    "Never, not one," he said. "First of all, I would never have enough guts to bring it up to him, and it's not in his makeup, nor is it in my makeup. Nobody in that franchise, from ownership down, would ever -- I mean, that never even crossed our mind. It crosses your mind only from the standpoint that you're reading that's what you should do. The irony is that you're saying you should get fired because you're not winning; and then when you start winning, you should get fired because you're winning. If there was ever a Catch-22, you got it there. It's really nuts.
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    The one thing I never questioned about the old coach (I refuse to say his name) is that he had a burning desire to win games. I just don't think he knew how to do that as effectively as he should have.
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    He kind of sounded like an exhausted man

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    That is one thing, what else was heard?
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    That is one thing, what else was heard?
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    Three Things Heard Over a Cup of Coffee

    • With former Pacers coach Jim O'Brien. Weeks before he would be fired by the Pacers, O'Brien referred back to his decision to win games at the end of last season; Indiana finished 10-4 over the final month, while other teams appeared to tank games in hopes of improving their position for the draft lottery: "It would be impossible for me to do it. Even if I wanted to, I couldn't do it. I don't know how you could ever look at a player in the eye if you're not giving yourself the best chance of winning."

    So you and team president Larry Bird never had a conversation about losing on purpose?

    "Never, not one," he said. "First of all, I would never have enough guts to bring it up to him, and it's not in his makeup, nor is it in my makeup. Nobody in that franchise, from ownership down, would ever -- I mean, that never even crossed our mind. It crosses your mind only from the standpoint that you're reading that's what you should do. The irony is that you're saying you should get fired because you're not winning; and then when you start winning, you should get fired because you're winning. If there was ever a Catch-22, you got it there. It's really nuts."

    • With Nuggets coach George Karl. On galvanizing his team amid trade rumors involving Carmelo Anthony: "The quote I use is from [former Denver VP] Mark Warkentien: I get paid to win the next game. I give my organization my predictions before the season, and they know the month of March is, for us, the most difficult month maybe I've ever seen in the NBA. With a good team, if we're playing well and we go 7-6 [in March], we'll be lucky. So we know we've got to put the numbers up before March, but we also know Portland has that same stretch, New Orleans has that same stretch -- I don't know when it is for them, but every team will have that same kind of month during the season.

    "So the thing is you can't get crazy about playing bad. And there are certain guys I can't be around, because they don't want to be flustered by my immature enthusiasm at age 60 to try to win the game. But there are some guys, I can put my arm around and pick them up and move 'em. And you've got to think those things through: I call it my 15 minutes of ego management. So I'll probably stay away from Nene. But I can probably get Kenyon [Martin] in a good place, because he's got to make a lot of defensive reads that he and I can work together on, and there are two or three other guys. Al [Harrington] might need a touch because his name's been in the paper a lot [as a player who may be traded] and Al likes my enthusiasm, we have a good relationship. But those are the things you think about."

    • With Larry Bird. On Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo as the NBA's most entertaining player: "If I turn on the TV, I'll watch him play more than anybody. He's got tremendous reaction as a point guard with those passes he makes. If you were to ask him about some of those passes, I'd bet he'd say, 'It was out of my hands before I knew I was throwing it.' That happens a lot. It happened to me. The pass would be out of my hands before I knew, because you're just reacting. I remember some of those tip passes off rebounds -- it just happens and by the time you see it, it's done.

    "It was like that steal from Isiah [Thomas in Game 5 of the 1987 East finals]. People don't believe me, but that was all reaction. It was in my hands and out of my hands before I could tell it was happening. I knew they had a timeout, and I couldn't believe they didn't take the timeout. But he probably figured I couldn't get over there."

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1DfNRr49e
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    • With Larry Bird. On Celtics point guard Rajon Rondo as the NBA's most entertaining player: "If I turn on the TV, I'll watch him play more than anybody. He's got tremendous reaction as a point guard with those passes he makes. If you were to ask him about some of those passes, I'd bet he'd say, 'It was out of my hands before I knew I was throwing it.' That happens a lot. It happened to me. The pass would be out of my hands before I knew, because you're just reacting. I remember some of those tip passes off rebounds -- it just happens and by the time you see it, it's done.
    Ironic he passed on Rajon for S.Williams....
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    Ironic he passed on Rajon for S.Williams....
    No doubt, I wonder what our scouts thought of Rondo at the time
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    Donnie was still in charge for the Williams over Rondo pick IIRC

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    Donnie was still in charge for the Williams over Rondo pick IIRC
    Yeah, & I've heard Donnie really likedthe kid, but at the time it was hailed as "Birds first footprint" on this team.
    If we put The Murph/Dun trade & the S.Williams pick on Donnie, then L.Birds track record is very good, & Donnie's magic had seemingly been lost.
    Easier to blame Bird, & hard to admit Donnie lost touch.
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    No doubt, I wonder what our scouts thought of Rondo at the time
    That, perhaps due in part to his enormous hands, he would never become an adequate shooter.

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    Ironic he passed on Rajon for S.Williams....
    I loved Rondo coming out of UK. His team stunk but he made them a lot better was during the rebuliding process for UK much like IU now. Rondo made that team a joy to watch
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    That, perhaps due in part to his enormous hands, he would never become an adequate shooter.
    If you talk to a lot of people around the C's they say he doesnt miss in shootarounds and pratice. But doesnt translate to the games sounds like a mental problem.

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    Here's the reality of an NBA coach, which I think is what some 'Old School' coaches often miss. You may not like it, but it is the way it is.

    "So the thing is you can't get crazy about playing bad. And there are certain guys I can't be around, because they don't want to be flustered by my immature enthusiasm at age 60 to try to win the game. But there are some guys, I can put my arm around and pick them up and move 'em. And you've got to think those things through: I call it my 15 minutes of ego management. So I'll probably stay away from Nene. But I can probably get Kenyon [Martin] in a good place, because he's got to make a lot of defensive reads that he and I can work together on, and there are two or three other guys. Al [Harrington] might need a touch because his name's been in the paper a lot [as a player who may be traded] and Al likes my enthusiasm, we have a good relationship. But those are the things you think about."

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    Jim O'brien saw the last part of the season as a way to ramp up his terrible W-L percentage while everyone else was going through the motions.
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    If you talk to a lot of people around the C's they say he doesnt miss in shootarounds and pratice. But doesnt translate to the games sounds like a mental problem.
    Yeah, I was heartbroken when we didn't take him. (Well, not "broken" ... but definitely "torn" a little.)

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    Jim O'brien saw the last part of the season as a way to ramp up his terrible W-L percentage while everyone else was going through the motions.
    Yep and some people called that "playing to win" playing Rasho instead of Roy was "playing to win" what a clown.

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    That, perhaps due in part to his enormous hands, he would never become an adequate shooter.
    That is a huge advantage for a point guard. Last I checked he was a point guard.
    That was my pick. So what if his shooting percentage was not great in college. That can improve. Plus he rebounded like a maniac.

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    Yeah, I was heartbroken when we didn't take him. (Well, not "broken" ... but definitely "torn" a little.)
    I was upset I followed him pretty close at UK. But was happy he was going to Boston to play with some great players

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    I was upset I followed him pretty close at UK. But was happy he was going to Boston to play with some great players
    What great players did Boston have when Rondo was drafted?

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    What great players did Boston have when Rondo was drafted?
    Well they werent there yet except Paul but they were coming.

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    Well they werent there yet but they were coming.
    He played an entire season without KG or Allen.

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    Anyway, Rondo's a great argument for nurture over nature, because I don't think he'd be anywhere near as good as he is without KG and Allen.

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    What great players did Boston have when Rondo was drafted?
    Answer: Paul Pierce

    Pierce was the only great player they had at that point. Other than Pierce, that team was chock-full of "prospects" and nobodies. To try and pretend like he was being drafted by a great team is foolish.
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    Answer: Paul Pierce

    Pierce was the only great player they had at that point. Other than Pierce, that team was chock-full of "prospects" and nobodies.
    Ya but they were still fun to watch.

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    I loved Rondo coming out of UK. His team stunk but he made them a lot better was during the rebuliding process for UK much like IU now. Rondo made that team a joy to watch
    I think the reason he slid on draft day was due to questions about his attitude and the fact that he couldn't make a jumpshot to save his life.

    He was like Chris Paul in college--they were both so much better than the guys that were around them. It isn't until they got to the NBA and they played with more talented guys that we could see their true wizardry with the ball.

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