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    Was just skimming different articles and saw Bucher talk about how a hard cap would mean the Lakers and Magic would have to move people or re-work contracts and that the Heat wouldn't be able to keep all three of their big three, and I thought to myself, what would a hard cap mean to the Pacers?

    We have some cheap young talent, and a lot of cap space even with a hard cap...could this be a blessing for us?

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    Default Re: If the NBA goes to a hard cap does that help the Pacers?

    I think guys would still take less money to play with other stars in glamour markets (LA, NY, MIA), but it couldn't hurt. It would even the playing field a little bit.

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    Was just skimming different articles and saw Bucher talk about how a hard cap would mean the Lakers and Magic would have to move people or re-work contracts and that the Heat wouldn't be able to keep all three of their big three, and I thought to myself, what would a hard cap mean to the Pacers?

    We have some cheap young talent, and a lot of cap space even with a hard cap...could this be a blessing for us?
    If we were to take on a sizable contract, wouldn't we be screwed when it came time to pay the likes of Hibbert, DC and PG in a league with a hard cap?

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    I really doubt the players agree to a hard cap

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    If the players agree to a hard cap I think that will help the Pacers a ton! Look at the Colts, could they remain competitive without one in the NFL? I dont think so.

    The stars would take less money to play in the larger markets. Indy will always have to pay above the going rate to get a star. The only chance of acquiring one now is to draft them or via a trade. Name 1 free agent star that has ever signed with the Pacers? The Colts picked up a few in the past.

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    In a vacuum, it may hurt. But, overall, it would help by evening the playing field.

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    I'd be shocked if the players agree to a hard cap. They want the freedom to be able to dictate where they can go play and can't see them give this up.

    Maybe they will agree to changes to the current soft cap and make it harder to sign another team's free agents to max deals. Or they could enforce a rule that only your current team can sign you to a max deal and max deals can't be signed for use in sign-and-trade deals.
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    A hard cap is needed. This is a professional league, there needs to be a even playing field for all team to be competitive. I really think it would help take down some of the power houses and let small market teams be more competitive.

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    A hard cap is needed. This is a professional league, there needs to be a even playing field for all team to be competitive. I really think it would help take down some of the power houses and let small market teams be more competitive.
    The odd thing is, the professional sport with the most parity in the US is probably baseball, the only pro sport without a salary cap of any kind. Sure, the Yankees and Red Sox are in the hunt each year, but there's been a very diverse list of champions the past decade.

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    The odd thing is, the professional sport with the most parity in the US is probably baseball, the only pro sport without a salary cap of any kind. Sure, the Yankees and Red Sox are in the hunt each year, but there's been a very diverse list of champions the past decade.
    They also have the most developed farm system of any major US sport. You can't put a price on that. It allows you to really build something.

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    They also have the most developed farm system of any major US sport. You can't put a price on that. It allows you to really build something.
    Very true. The farm system is basically what us Reds fans have to thank for our upward surge this past year. Developing talent is big. Not sure that system could work as well in the NBA though.

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    I think it could work in any sport. Europeans do it for soccer and it works brilliantly. NHL does it and they have a very diverse talent base.

    NFL and NBA are just so insanely American that they are absolutely tied to the college system. Fine by me, as I love my Indiana Hoosiers, but make no mistake the product the NBA puts on the court would be 100% better with a fully fleshed out minor league/semi-pro system feeding it talent.

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    It would depend on where the cap is set, but if there is a hard cap I would hope the Pacers and Granger can re-work his contract. If not it might mean the Pacers have to trade him to keep Hibbert, Collison, George, and our other young talent.

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    What exactly is a hard cap?

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    What exactly is a hard cap?
    say the hard cap is 60m you cant go over that no matter what. It isnt gonna happen Stern likes the 2-5 superteams it sells better than haveing 15-20 good teams with the talent spread around more =.

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    No, the main reason that a hard cap wouldn't/won't go down is because the players (NBPA) would never agree to it in the collective bargaining agreement. Players don't want a hard cap because that would begin to dictate their choices and take away options as well as lowering overall salary and making owners use their money more wisely. That would cause ludicrous deals to occur significantly less than they happen now. For example, Drew Gooden, Amir Johnson, Anderson Varejao (Even though he really isn't overpaid), Jerome James, etcetera.
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    No, the main reason that a hard cap wouldn't/won't go down is because the players (NBPA) would never agree to it in the collective bargaining agreement.
    I said that also but Stern wouldnt want it ethier.

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    Could one simply increase the penalty of going over the lux cap... say $2 for every $1 and put that in sharing... Also like to see a minimum salary level raised or a similar penalty for that too.

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    If there's not some sort of hard cap, or something to restrict all the good players going to certain teams, the NBA will wind up with less teams. There is already talk of contraction.

    People nowadays have to many sources of entertainment to support teams that continually lose. So if teams keep losing their stars to the big markets pretty soon all that will be left is mostly the big markets.

    How long would you support the Pacers if we would lose Granger, then Hibbert, then Paul, to big market teams?

    If the rank and file players see contraction happening they will agree to some sort of hard cap despite what the superstars want. It might not happen next CBA, but contraction will happen if the playing field isn't leveled.

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    Could one simply increase the penalty of going over the lux cap... say $2 for every $1 and put that in sharing... Also like to see a minimum salary level raised or a similar penalty for that too.
    yes they could. but a hard cap would be great for the pacers. teams above a certain level, say $60M would have to cut/trade salary. teams like the pacers with lots of cap space would be able to get a good player for cheap. a hard cap would be the best thing that could happen to the pacers in the CBA negotiations.

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    yes they could. but a hard cap would be great for the pacers. teams above a certain level, say $60M would have to cut/trade salary. teams like the pacers with lots of cap space would be able to get a good player for cheap. a hard cap would be the best thing that could happen to the pacers in the CBA negotiations.
    But then we would have to cut salary next yr or the yr after to resign Hibbs and company

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    What exactly is a hard cap?
    a hard cap is a maximum amount that a team can spend on salary in a given year. no exceptions. no exclusions. if your team doesn't have the money, they cannot sign draft choices, free agents or anything. team above the cap have to cut players to get under the cap.

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    But then we would have to cut salary next yr or the yr after to resign Hibbs and company
    Doesn't necessarily follow. Who else would be in a position to pay them under a hard cap, especially if we let our expirings simply expire.
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    Default Re: If the NBA goes to a hard cap does that help the Pacers?

    Sure it helps. No more worries about budget size. No exceptions, no luxury tax. Right now small market team like us just can't afford to use half of those exceptions that Dallas keeps using, or pay a luxury tax. With hard cap, no such problem.
    Combine it with better revenue sharing rules --> perfect system for Pacers.
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    If there's not some sort of hard cap, or something to restrict all the good players going to certain teams, the NBA will wind up with less teams. There is already talk of contraction.

    People nowadays have to many sources of entertainment to support teams that continually lose. So if teams keep losing their stars to the big markets pretty soon all that will be left is mostly the big markets.

    How long would you support the Pacers if we would lose Granger, then Hibbert, then Paul, to big market teams?

    If the rank and file players see contraction happening they will agree to some sort of hard cap despite what the superstars want. It might not happen next CBA, but contraction will happen if the playing field isn't leveled.
    Good post.
    Something needs to happen to stop the kind of player collusion we're seeing right now or the NBA just won't be a competitive. I've brought this up before but it's going toward a division 1, division 2 system where teams like the Pacers will be in division 2.
    There are many ways to address this but a hard cap, franchise player system, or a system that allows only 1 max contract per team would all help.
    I think a hard cap would help us right away if teams had to get under the hard cap in a short period of time. We'd be in a position to pick and choose who we would help out by taking their high priced players. Any trade would be very lopsided in our favor.

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