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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #61
    Re: Stephenson coming soon...

    Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
    People still can't seem to grasp that we can't release him based on being charged, no matter how obvious that case could be. So no, we couldn't have cut ties with him yet.

    If you haven't been found guilty by a court of law, then you're not guilty. An employer cutting ties with an employee who has only been accused, and not found guilty would set up for a serious lawsuit that would not be won by the Pacers.

    The Pacers can cut anybody on their team at anytime they want to, and there's nothing a player can do about it. They might have to pay them the remainder of their contract but they can release them from the team no matter the situation.

    "I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about." - Peter Griffin

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    • #62
      Re: Stephenson coming soon...

      I just want to see if he can play at the NBA level. Nothing more, nothing less. I watched him during the Summer League games, and he had flashes of potentional. If he can make the transition, a 6-5 PG would cause havoc in the NBA.


      Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      • #63
        Re: Stephenson coming soon...

        I can't wait to see this guy on the floor, I don't care what anybody says.

        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #64
          Re: Stephenson coming soon...

          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
          I just want to see if he can play at the NBA level. Nothing more, nothing less. I watched him during the Summer League games, and he had flashes of potentional. If he can make the transition, a 6-5 PG would cause havoc in the NBA.
          I thought he was the best player in the Orlando summer league for any team, granted it was a talent depleted group. He near dominated the few games he played, imo.
          Last edited by Speed; 02-03-2011, 01:48 PM.

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          • #65
            Re: Stephenson coming soon...

            Originally posted by DGPR View Post
            The Pacers can cut anybody on their team at anytime they want to, and there's nothing a player can do about it. They might have to pay them the remainder of their contract but they can release them from the team no matter the situation.
            You're right, but a good lawyer would show up in court with a list of quotes from Larry Bird, highlights from Summer League. A ton of NBA reports about Lance's showing in Summer League and be able to make a case that he wasn't cut for reasons on the court, and he'd probably win.

            They could sue for the damage done to his career and potential future earnings lost by the release. Especially if the case was thrown out of court or he was in some way found not guilty. He would win, and the Pacers would lose.

            So yes, the Pacers can release him anytime they feel. But I could also go shoot someone anytime I felt like walking outside with my pistol and pulling the trigger. Neither truth would prevent me from going to jail, or the Pacers from losing that court case either. So they can, but they really can't.

            **EDIT** To expand on this, notice any application you fill out asks if you've ever been "convicted" of a felony, and not "accused" of a felony? The law protects people from being punished without being found guilty. I wouldn't want to be the sports team that tries to set a precedent that you can release someone on accusations.
            Last edited by xBulletproof; 02-03-2011, 01:57 PM.

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            • #66
              Re: Stephenson coming soon...

              Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
              I can't wait to see this guy on the floor, I don't care what anybody says.

              Watching this video...has Paul George ever gotten a clean facial on someone yet? It seems like he always make these "akward" dunks in traffic which is weird given that he pretty good smooth body control,
              Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 02-03-2011, 01:57 PM.


              Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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              • #67
                Re: Stephenson coming soon...

                Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
                You're right, but a good lawyer would show up in court with a list of quotes from Larry Bird, highlights from Summer League. A ton of NBA reports about Lance's showing in Summer League and be able to make a case that he wasn't cut for reasons on the court, and he'd probably win.

                They could sue for the damage done to his career and potential future earnings lost by the release. Especially if the case was thrown out of court or he was in some way found not guilty. He would win, and the Pacers would lose.

                So yes, the Pacers can release him anytime they feel. But I could also go shoot someone anytime I felt like walking outside with my pistol and pulling the trigger. Neither truth would prevent me from going to jail, or the Pacers from losing that court case either. So they can, but they really can't.
                I'm not a lawyer, but I'm basically certain they can release him anytime they feel and it will be within the bounds of his contract. All they're required to do is pay him, since his deal is guaranteed. They don't have to have a reason for why they drop him. Since it's contract employment and not even standard employment under Indiana law, things like protected classes don't even apply. It's different from getting fired from a Denny's.

                Do you have any example of any player at any point in the NBA's history suing their former team for releasing them?

                Edit: If this theoretical good lawyer just has to "make a case that he wasn't cut for reasons on the court, and he'd probably win," then why haven't we heard back from Tinsley? He was obviously cut for other reasons, and the Pacers clearly managed to assassinate his career by benching him for so long before finally cutting him.
                Last edited by smj887; 02-03-2011, 01:58 PM.

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                • #68
                  Re: Stephenson coming soon...

                  be interesting to see if stephenson can defend or not. if he can bring the ball up the court against pressure and defend at least as well as collison, then he has a chance. pretty sure everybody on the pacers thinks he can produce in the half court offense, it's just a matter of defending.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Stephenson coming soon...

                    Does anybody remember what newspaper told the story first? we need to remember what kind of newspapers they got in NY, I have a feeling that the Pacers know what really happened.
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                    • #70
                      Re: Stephenson coming soon...

                      I'm thinking the Pacers know what can be and can't be proved in court, more than what happened. That's really where their immediate interests would lie.

                      Long term, I guess you just try to put everything in place to help him make better decisions and hope he does.

                      I kinda cringe at the thought of the lock out next year and the teams aren't allowed to babysit, er um keep close tabs on him.

                      It just gets back to my earlier thoughts, I don't trust him, so therefore I'd never give him a long/big contract, so really whats the point.

                      I guess he could have an epiphany... not sure I'd even believe that, with too much of my long term salary availability.

                      I've just spent too much time watching overpaid boneheads and then overpaid nice guys for their talent, the last few years to think it's worth it.

                      I get he's 19, I get he's had a different upbringing. I'm not passing judgement as much as don't want another Tinsley on our hands. The PACERS ARE STILL PAYING TINSLEY TODAY!!!!

                      So to summarize, I'm okay with the almost no-risk contract he's on now, I want to see him play starting Friday, I just can't think of a scenerio that lets me resign him in 2.5 years for anything of value in years or dollars. None.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Stephenson coming soon...

                        Originally posted by Speed View Post
                        I'm thinking the Pacers know what can be and can't be proved in court, more than what happened. That's really where their immediate interests would lie.

                        Long term, I guess you just try to put everything in place to help him make better decisions and hope he does.

                        I kinda cringe at the thought of the lock out next year and the teams aren't allowed to babysit, er um keep close tabs on him.

                        It just gets back to my earlier thoughts, I don't trust him, so therefore I'd never give him a long/big contract, so really whats the point.

                        I guess he could have an epiphany... not sure I'd even believe that, with too much of my long term salary availability.

                        I've just spent too much time watching overpaid boneheads and then overpaid nice guys for their talent, the last few years to think it's worth it.

                        I get he's 19, I get he's had a different upbringing. I'm not passing judgement as much as don't want another Tinsley on our hands. The PACERS ARE STILL PAYING TINSLEY TODAY!!!!

                        So to summarize, I'm okay with the almost no-risk contract he's on now, I want to see him play starting Friday, I just can't think of a scenerio that lets me resign him in 2.5 years for anything of value in years or dollars. None.
                        Who knows maybe the new CBA would make it easier for teams to remove players and cut them.
                        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                        • #72
                          Re: Stephenson coming soon...

                          lance reminds me of isaiah rider

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                          • #73
                            Re: Stephenson coming soon...

                            Originally posted by smj887 View Post
                            Do you have any example of any player at any point in the NBA's history suing their former team for releasing them?
                            Is there any history of a player being released over an accusation? Just because you sign a contract I have a hard time believing that laws just go out the window. I've been involved in the hiring/firing process and our paperwork said when hired that we can release you for any reason, and at any time, but it still didn't make us immune to the law. We couldn't fire someone for being caught doing something even if the eye witness was a police officer, until a jury came down with a guilty verdict.

                            As far as Tinsley goes, he wasn't released. He just didn't play. Same thing that has happened to Lance. However if you released him, it could be construed as a signal of guilt. That's nothing like what happened to Tinsley.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Stephenson coming soon...

                              Whether you like Lance or not, the Pacers are in a position, finally, this offseason to court some free agents, and we are not going to be a very attractive destination if we are not seen as a franchise that will stand by their players even before they have had their day in court. Just my 2 cents.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Stephenson coming soon...



                                pic i took during pre season, i thought it was neat

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