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    Default What will Vogel's player rotations be

    Sorry for the horrible word choice.

    make a prediction for us, who will start and who will be the 4 or 5 off the bench. don't tell me what you want, but who do you think he'll play. Assume everyone is healthy.

    Also set some parameters as far as what will make you excited, satisfied, angry.......

    I think the starting 5 will be

    Roy
    Josh
    Danny
    Mike
    Collison

    Off the bench:
    Tyler
    George
    AJ
    Jeff
    B, Rush.

    Only real change from what we have seen lately is no more Posey.
    Lance will get some spot minutes.

    Some of you will not be overjoyed as I would be shockd to see Jeff and Mike benched. maybe play a little less but still in regular rotation

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    I hope the rotation is
    Collison
    George or BRush
    Danny
    Josh
    Roy

    with
    AJ
    Dun
    George or BRush
    Tyler
    Foster

    off the bench

    Although my guess is Dun will continue to start. I think that's a mistake, but so long as Posey and Ford are out of the rotation, and Roy gets a fair amount of minutes, I'll be happy.

    I think Lance will be active just in case we can get him some spot minutes.

    I also hope, his general rule is "whoever is playing the best during the game gets to play the most minutes" I personally think that's the best way to handle younger guys.

    Truthfully, I don't know exactly how Vogel's going to adjust.
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    I agree with your rotation and I'm personally just fine with that. I like Dunleavy, and he deserves to be on the court. Minutes should be based off his performances though.

    Foster has been our best center as of late, so he should see his share of time as well, but Hibbert needs his chance to grow.

    I see Stephenson being active more often, but not necessarily in the rotation.

    Posey will likely be inactive for the 1st time. A mixture of Solo, Dahntay, T.J and Stephenson will join him. Rush while he's injured

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    Default Re: What will Vogel's player rotations be

    Collison
    George
    Danny
    Josh
    Roy/

    with
    AJ/Lance
    B rush/Lance
    Dun/Lance
    Tyler
    Josh

    and Foster some nights

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    anyone think Jeff or Mike will be benched? Or even have their minutes greatly reduced? And does anyone think Posey will play at all? I don't think we'll see him for about a month.

    Other than Posey I don't see major changes. Although it is very common for new coaches to start off by playing a lot of players. I don't see huge changes, I mean George has been playing, Price has been playing, Josh is back playing, Tyler has been playing.

    I'm not sure we can make any prediction regarding whether we'll see any small ball
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    My guess would be this

    Starting 5:

    Collison
    George
    Granger
    Hansbrough
    Roy

    Bench 7:

    AJ
    Dunleavy
    Rush
    Josh
    Foster
    Lance (Spot minutes)
    Solo (Extra big man)

    Reserves:

    TJ
    Dahntay
    Posey


    I'd say you could change out Posey/Lance on the inactive lists. I don't really care who starts between Josh/Tyler as long as they split minutes.
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    I think that starting off it will be:

    Collison/Price
    Mike/George
    Danny/George
    Josh/Tyler
    Hibbert/Foster

    Then I think within a couple of games it will be:

    Collison/Price
    George/Rush
    Granger/Dunleavy
    Josh/Tyler (Or the other way around)
    Hibbert/Foster

    That lineup will end the season, and I think Paul will then go off and score a lot of points based off something I just heard lol.

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    I hope it's
    Hibbert
    George
    Collison
    McRoberts
    Granger

    off the bench
    Dunleavy
    Price
    Tyler
    Foster
    Lance

    Leave Rush on the bench unless he proves he can keep his head in the game.

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    I hope it's
    Hibbert
    George
    Collison
    McRoberts
    Granger

    off the bench
    Dunleavy
    Price
    Tyler
    Foster
    Lance

    Leave Rush on the bench unless he proves he can keep his head in the game.
    so bench our best defender

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    so bench our best defender
    /one of our worst offensive players.
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    /one of our worst offensive players.
    defense trumps offense in my book hopefully in Vogel's also

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    In a few weeks.

    PG Collison/Price
    SG George/Rush
    SF Granger/Dunleavy
    PF McRoberts/Hansbrough
    C Hibbert/Foster (McRoberts)

    Inactive: Ford, SJones, Posey

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    anyone think Jeff or Mike will be benched? Or even have their minutes greatly reduced? And does anyone think Posey will play at all? I don't think we'll see him for about a month.

    Other than Posey I don't see major changes. Although it is very common for new coaches to start off by playing a lot of players. I don't see huge changes, I mean George has been playing, Price has been playing, Josh is back playing, Tyler has been playing.

    I'm not sure we can make any prediction regarding whether we'll see any small ball
    Possibly, I can see Dun's minutes reducing to give PG more, when BRush comes back.

    With Foster, I think it depends on Hibbert. He might possibly lose some minutes to Josh at the center spot.

    I think they'll still play though. I think the biggest change will be Posey being out of the rotation. Hopefully.

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    defense trumps offense in my book hopefully in Vogel's also
    I only want him out there when there's a dominant shooting guard on the other team.

    Otherwise, keep him on the bench. I don't enjoy playing offense with only 4 guys due to Rush's ever so wonderful ability to disappear entirely.

    4 on 5 on offense doesn't do you any favors when our offense sucks to begin with.
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    /one of our worst offensive players.
    He's really not..

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    anyone think Jeff or Mike will be benched? Or even have their minutes greatly reduced? And does anyone think Posey will play at all? I don't see huge changes, I mean George has ben playing, Price has ben playing, Josh is back playing, Tyler has been playing.

    I'm not sure we can make any prediction regarding whether we'll see any small ball
    I think the changes will come with when and how often a player plays. For instance I don't see McRoberts and Hansbrough being inactive again unless they're not healthy.

    I think Paul George will start getting more minutes like he has been. I think Hibbert will have a longer leash. Same for Tyler and Josh.

    I'm really interested to see what Collison does as well.

    I don't expect a lot of change in the offense, but I expect different situational calls, and different body language from the players as well.

    I'm hoping tomorrow night plays out like the last time the Pacers played the Raptors with another coach other than O'Brien

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    Default Re: What will Vogel's player rotations be

    I'm not really sure who Bird has in mind to get their minutes either upped or cut, but from what I've heard from him today, I believe the young guys have the priority for the most part, and I expect PG to get a LOT of minutes now so that we can really bring him on in this 2nd half of the season--which I think is a great move btw.

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    I only want him out there when there's a dominant shooting guard on the other team.

    Otherwise, keep him on the bench. I don't enjoy playing offense with only 4 guys due to Rush's ever so wonderful ability to disappear entirely.

    4 on 5 on offense doesn't do you any favors when our offense sucks to begin with.
    There was a reason he looked lost his job out there was 2 space the court. That is what his coach told him 2 do so he just stand in the cornor(which is part of the offense) and spaces the court. Wait untill we have Vogel 4 awhile to pass judgement.

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    He's really not..
    Let me retract my statement.

    Worst? No.

    Most inconsistent? Yes

    Most likely to be entirely non-existent and make it incredibly hard to score points? Absolutely.
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    Let me retract my statement.

    Worst? No.

    Most inconsistent? Yes

    Most likely to be entirely non-existent and make it incredibly hard to score points? Absolutely.
    Dunleavy is pretty inconsistent he has been better latley but his defense his horrible compared to Rush's

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    There was a reason he looked lost his job out there was 2 space the court. That is what his coach told him 2 do so he just stand in the cornor(which is part of the offense) and spaces the court. Wait untill we have Vogel 4 awhile to pass judgement.
    That never seemed to be an issue when Dunleavy/George are on the floor.

    Yes, Dunleavy is excellent without the ball. But still. Those two space the floor as well, yet they don't disappear for 4 quarters.

    Look, I want him to succeed. I do. And hopefully Vogel's system changes that. But how the hell has he not gotten better in 3 years?

    He does this ALL the time.

    Stretch of a few good games. Stretch of an uncountable number of bad ones.

    I don't want him to not play. I want him to dress every game when he's healthy. But I prefer George/Dunleavy play more often, that's all.
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    Starters:
    Roy
    Tyler
    Danny
    George
    DC

    Bench:
    Jeff - w/ some Solo sprinkled in.
    McBob
    Dun
    Rush
    AJ - w/ some Lance sprinkled in.

    Suits:
    Posey, D.Jones, Ford

    -If Dun of Jeff is moved, I think George gets Dun's min's in a 3 wing rotation w/ Rush & Danny. Lance could get some spot moin's @ the 2, but likely after the trade deadline.

    -If Jeff is moved, I see McBob & Solo w/ Tyler & Roy as the 4 big's. Of course we would likely aquire a big as well, so if so (Randolph?) would be worked in. Based on LB obmitting Josh when speaking of our youth (only mentioned Tyler, George, & Lance), Josh could fall, but will not be inactive (that would be Solo).

    -Lance will get PT, & IMO Larry's want to see him play, along w/ his intrigue of George makes Dun the most likely to move. I think Dun could land some nice assets, as he is healthy & his recent scoring must have contenders watching closely!

    -D.Jones will be played as a defensive stopper (as he was signed to be) when active. He & Lance could be rotating as the 3rd inactive.

    -P's will try like heck to move Posey to a contender, along w/ D.Jones, possibly w/ an expiring in an attempt to get further under the cap - esp. if we take on a salery > 1 yr. remaining.
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    i change 3 things
    1 start george
    2 dont play posey and ford
    3 play lance

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    I think that you will see a line-up like this...

    Roy/Foster/Solo
    Hans/Josh/DG33
    DG33/Dun/PG24/Rush
    George/Rush/DG33/Dun
    DC2/TJ/Price

    I whole-heartedly hope Posey is inactive. Dahntay and Stevenson will be too.
    I think conventional wisdom says that you need have three point guards in the 12-man rotation, so that leaves those three out.

    Plus, TJ Ford is not a bad player. It's hard to admit, but O'brien has painfully mis-used TJ. He is the better player than AJ at this point, and I believe he should bump AJ in the rotation.

    In all honesty there is no way for me to know what to expect going forward. We could be in for a bumpy ride with a new coach. Even assuming that the new coach has a better system, it will be difficult to transition when all this team has been taught for 3 1/2 years is offensive slop.

    We should keep the current defensive scheme. It's a good one, and the only reason I liked Jim.

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    i change 3 things
    1 start george
    2 dont play posey and ford
    3 play lance
    ^ Spot on.

    Btw, Vogel is spelled wrong in your sig
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