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2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

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  • #16
    Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

    Please no AK47

    now his nickname should be "AK Starter Pistol"

    He is a shell of what he used to be, and I will never forget him crying in the playoffs
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    • #17
      Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

      Speaking strictly of free agents (or players than may opt out), considering each position, I like the following:

      PF -
      West (starter), Landry (backup), McRoberts (backup only) Glen Davis (backup), Humphries (backup). Randolph is a fine offensive player, but I wouldn't touch him.

      C -
      Perkins (backup/part time starter)

      SG / PG-
      Jamal Crawford (combo guard), Daniels (can still guard PG, SG, SF)

      SF -
      Wilson Chandler

      I would definitely go after West first. If West cannot be signed, then I would try to work a trade to acquire a good PF. If that does not progress, I would sign both of Landry and McRoberts, depending on dollars.

      Secondly, I would go after Perkins as a backup center, or a heavy minutes player on those occassions that Hibbert is missing in action. Perkins is not the greatest offensive player in the world, but he can guard virtually any center in the league straight up

      If Hibbert can't get it turned around before the end of this season, I would consider picking up a stronger scoring SG like Jamal Crawford. If we feel as though we need an SG/PG that can score from the perimeter but cannot get our hands on Crawford, I would look into acquiring Kirk Hinrich through a trade. He has only one year left at 8M, thus would be an expiring contract that is viewed as a very good player by most other teams in the league. He could traded next season, allowed to expire, used in a sign and trade or even re-signed for less money. That's not to move away from the youth movement at SG or PG either one, it's just that Hinrich is a great backcourt utility player to have around to fill almost any need you would have.

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      • #18
        Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

        Originally posted by beast23 View Post
        Speaking strictly of free agents (or players than may opt out), considering each position, I like the following:

        PF -
        West (starter), Landry (backup), McRoberts (backup only) Glen Davis (backup), Humphries (backup). Randolph is a fine offensive player, but I wouldn't touch him.

        C -
        Perkins (backup/part time starter)

        SG / PG-
        Jamal Crawford (combo guard), Daniels (can still guard PG, SG, SF)

        SF -
        Wilson Chandler

        I would definitely go after West first. If West cannot be signed, then I would try to work a trade to acquire a good PF. If that does not progress, I would sign both of Landry and McRoberts, depending on dollars.

        Secondly, I would go after Perkins as a backup center, or a heavy minutes player on those occassions that Hibbert is missing in action. Perkins is not the greatest offensive player in the world, but he can guard virtually any center in the league straight up

        If Hibbert can't get it turned around before the end of this season, I would consider picking up a stronger scoring SG like Jamal Crawford. If we feel as though we need an SG/PG that can score from the perimeter but cannot get our hands on Crawford, I would look into acquiring Kirk Hinrich through a trade. He has only one year left at 8M, thus would be an expiring contract that is viewed as a very good player by most other teams in the league. He could traded next season, allowed to expire, used in a sign and trade or even re-signed for less money. That's not to move away from the youth movement at SG or PG either one, it's just that Hinrich is a great backcourt utility player to have around to fill almost any need you would have.

        Might I add Tracy McGrady to your list as well? I think that if he's healthy (Which he has been), he's a very effective 1/2/3 off the bench. Very versatile like Marquis.

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        • #19
          Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

          Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
          Might I add Tracy McGrady to your list as well? I think that if he's healthy (Which he has been), he's a very effective 1/2/3 off the bench. Very versatile like Marquis.
          T-Mac is gonna go 2 a contender next yr he just needed a yr of rehab he is looking really good of late.

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          • #20
            Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

            Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
            T-Mac is gonna go 2 a contender next yr he just needed a yr of rehab he is looking really good of late.
            Money talks.. If they are looking to sign him for the minimum, than we sign him for 2years/6mil if he does it.

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            • #21
              Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

              Has anyone here given any legitimate thought to Yao Ming? I know he's had a rough time with injuries, but looking at his games played, it hasn't been quite as bad as I thought. If doctor's say he's healthy and ready to go for 11-12, he'd be awfully tempting. Not only a great center but think of the other things he brings with him by being such a megastar in China.

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              • #22
                Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                Originally posted by Jared Sullinger View Post
                Has anyone here given any legitimate thought to Yao Ming? I know he's had a rough time with injuries, but looking at his games played, it hasn't been quite as bad as I thought. If doctor's say he's healthy and ready to go for 11-12, he'd be awfully tempting. Not only a great center but think of the other things he brings with him by being such a megastar in China.
                HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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                • #23
                  Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                  Argh. I just realized he missed all of 09-10 prior to his five-games this year. Instead of listing zero games played for that season, ESPN just omitted it altogether.

                  So five-games in two-years. Maybe he is done.

                  Maybe not.

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                  • #24
                    Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                    [QUOTE=Mono;1151297]If I were Pacers management, I might try to sign Marc Gasol away from Memphis, with the idea of taking a twin towers approach. Gasol can bang, and Hibbert can play effectively in the high post. I think Gasol might be able to guard the power forward position, and a young dynamic big man is always tradeable, if things don't work out.

                    David West would be my first free agent choice, but I'd be very afraid of a deal that paid him a lot of money over 5 years. 3 with a team option for a fourth, yes.
                    QUOTE]

                    I do agree with your thoughts on Gasol and think the twin towers concept would work for us although most on here seem to disagree.

                    Nene would be my first choice and I'd be willing to bet that he opts out. He's having a fringe all star level year and has been healthy for several full seasons now. If Nene were to be a free agent under this cba he'd be looking at a big pay increase. I don't see him losing anything under the new cba at least not near the end of his new contract so I see it as a low risk move for him to opt out. West would not be at the top of my list due to his age and size but I could live with signing him.
                    Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                    • #25
                      Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                      Tyson Chandler is by far my #1 option on this list.
                      I wanted the Pacers to work a deal for him t/y, before he went to Dallas. He has been outstanding for them, especially on the defensive end. IMO there is no was they let him go, & I have heard he wants to stay, so unless the new CBA makes it hard/ impossible for him to stay, I bet he does. The reason I want him is he is a defense-first big, fairly young, and has good athleticism, plus he is far from a stiff on the offensive end. He is the type of big that while best suited as a 5, could give you some min's @ the 4 in spots. We need a "combo" big behind Roy - someone with better athleticism, not another "big" big.
                      (*Note: Nene would rate right up there too, but IMO there is no way either would accept a backup role, & no way I demote Roy!!!)

                      As for the others, J.Rich & AK have some interest, but I'm not teribilly excited & not interested in big $'s if that is what it takes. Not sure I would enjoy watching D.West any more then McBob, who we likely lose if we sign West. Not that West would not put up better numbers & be a better short term guy, but @ 31, I don't want us to tie up our new cash on an old soul. If this is the list, I spend moderately, & wait for the trade deadline n/y to see who is available, or I wait till the following summer when there will be a bigger crop of FA'a avilable (D.Will?)

                      Sad thing is, beyond the A.Randolph for our #1, I have not found a doable deal out there, & really nothing I like for our expirings. I keep thinking Dun would have interest, but the "fits" I have found him for have not offered us much of what we would want. TJ has no value other then as an expiring, so I don't see him going anywhere, & Foster has more value to us then anything he could bring back. I would to get J.Thompson out of Sac-Town, as he fits the mode of the athletic/combo b/u to Roy I mentioned, but unless they just want to dump him, I don't see a deal because I don't want any of their longer contracts to go with him. Houston should be looking to shed salery, but it sounds like they are llooking to add, not shed. B.Miller would have been another big that while is not exactly the athletic type I outlined, I think would still be an upgrade @ 4.5 mil. for just for n/y. I like K.Martin a lot too, but he looks to be a piece they want to build around, so he isn't going anywhere. Blatche in Washington intrigues me, but I do not see him accepting not being a starter, & that would mean his is unhappy, & that leads to trouble w/ a guy like him. Like the talent, not the attitude. Lastly, Gortat is PHX is a guy I know Larry liked, but again, PHX seems to be happy w/ him & Lopez combo & with them holding onto Nash (I have NO idea why!), they might as well wait 1 more year before moving him.

                      Best advise: Don't Panic!
                      Don't sign a FA to sign a FA, don't make a deal to make a deal. We have good young talent that if they mature as we hope will need to get paid themselves. Adding to this core would be great, losing some of them because we panic would be tragic!
                      "Larry Bird: You are Officially On the Clock! (3/24/08)"
                      (Watching You Like A Hawk!)

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                      • #26
                        Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                        Is there anyone else here that thinks it might be best just for the team to sit pat with what they got and not overpay for a FA that will only make it difficult to re-sign the younger players?

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                        • #27
                          Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                          Is there anyone else here that thinks it might be best just for the team to sit pat with what they got and not overpay for a FA that will only make it difficult to re-sign the younger players?
                          I agree with this to a point. You don't have to get a player just to spend the money and say you made use of it.

                          There are some decent free agents though that the Pacers should go after. I mentioned Tyson Chandler before and I still hope the Pacers make a run at him. I also mentioned Shelden Williams too. Another guy I really like but doesn't get any talk is Chuck Hayes of the Rockets. He is undersized but very effective. Reggie Evans is another blue collar big man who would be a good addition.

                          That is the direction I want the Pacers to go in...blue collar. I was torn on guys like Jeff Green and Josh Smith but I really like the blue collar approach the Pacers have taken with Hands and Josh at the PF spot. Stick with the blue collar guys even if they don't have the big name.

                          Other free agents i'd love to see in Indiana include Shane Battier but I think he wants to stay in Houston.

                          I would like to see a veteran point guard added to. Just a third stringer to help Darren, AJ, and even Lance. The problem is you can't find the veteran point guards like you could a few years ago. I don't think wing players are a need of the Pacers. Even if (hopefully) you subtract Mike Dunleavy they still have Danny, Paul, Brandon, and Dahntay plus Lance. Signing a guy like Quinton Ross would be good enough.

                          I don't think the Pacers need to go after big names. Save most of the money because they have a roster full of players that can be special.

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                          • #28
                            Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                            Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                            Is there anyone else here that thinks it might be best just for the team to sit pat with what they got and not overpay for a FA that will only make it difficult to re-sign the younger players?
                            The free agent's list is very underwhelming. I like Jason Richardson, Glen Davis, David West, Tayshaun Prince, and Tyson Chandler but I'm not sure that they will be worth their contract 3 years from now. Jeff Green might fit in well here considering that he an Roy are friends and former Georgetown teammates but he's a PF in a SF's body and I don't think the Pacers need another SF.

                            I think the Pacers should instead upgrade their bench with serviceable players like Leandro Barbosa, Mickael Pietrus, and Kelenna Azubuike with a 2 year deal type of contract and then go fishing again in the summer of 2012 when some of the big name FAs like Howard, DWill, and CP3 might be available.

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                            • #29
                              Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                              Originally posted by Hall O'Point View Post
                              HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
                              Do you have any legitimate new sources which have stated that Yao's injury is likely a career killer? A Yao at, say, 80% and playing limited minutes (20-24 mpg) would still be one of the best players in the upcoming draft class.

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                              • #30
                                Re: 2011 & 2012 Free Agent list (espn)

                                Problem is that he likely becomes a Murphleavy contract. If we throw 3 years/30 mil at him we are ****ed for three years with a guy who plays five-ten games a year for 24 minutes a game.

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