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    Per espn, this is a good summary of the 11 & 12 FA's available.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeAgents-11-12

    West, NeNe, Perkins, and DeAndre Jordan (RFA), Pryzbella, are a few guys we could be interested in.

    Do not see many strong PF's avaiable in 2012, so if were gonna acqure a PF in FA, it will likely be this offseason.

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    Well, there are only 3 players we might be able to acquire and could help us and these are Zach Randolph, David West, and Jamal Crawford (for this summer)
    but if they do come here, they'd ask for a lot more money than they deserve...

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    If I were Pacers management, I might try to sign Marc Gasol away from Memphis, with the idea of taking a twin towers approach. Gasol can bang, and Hibbert can play effectively in the high post. I think Gasol might be able to guard the power forward position, and a young dynamic big man is always tradeable, if things don't work out.

    David West would be my first free agent choice, but I'd be very afraid of a deal that paid him a lot of money over 5 years. 3 with a team option for a fourth, yes.

    I'd also keep an eye on Tyson Chandler and Andrei Kirilenko, as players who could be tremendously helpful, if they could be signed to advantageous contracts.

    Of course I'd bring back McRoberts, hopefully long-term for a fair price. 3-4 million per year?

    I wouldn't do any deals that locked up an aging player to the disadvantage of the team.

    I think the Pacers really need an excellent pick and roll power forward, but if none were available for a price I'd be willing to pay, I'd concentrate my attention on rebounders.

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    If I were Pacers management, I might try to sign Marc Gasol away from Memphis, with the idea of taking a twin towers approach. Gasol can bang, and Hibbert can play effectively in the high post. I think Gasol might be able to guard the power forward position, and a young dynamic big man is always tradeable, if things don't work out.

    David West would be my first free agent choice, but I'd be very afraid of a deal that paid him a lot of money over 5 years. 3 with a team option for a fourth, yes.

    I'd also keep an eye on Tyson Chandler and Andrei Kirilenko, as players who could be tremendously helpful, if they could be signed to advantageous contracts.

    Of course I'd bring back McRoberts, hopefully long-term for a fair price. 3-4 million per year?

    I wouldn't do any deals that locked up an aging player to the disadvantage of the team.

    I think the Pacers really need an excellent pick and roll power forward, but if none were available for a price I'd be willing to pay, I'd concentrate my attention on rebounders.
    Those two seem most likely to me. They seem like Bird's type of player, and I think they could make a positive impact. Gasol fits the youth of the team, and AK47 fits Bird's desire to have a veteran, so neither would surprise me.
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    [QUOTE=Mono;1151297]If I were Pacers management, I might try to sign Marc Gasol away from Memphis, with the idea of taking a twin towers approach. Gasol can bang, and Hibbert can play effectively in the high post. I think Gasol might be able to guard the power forward position, and a young dynamic big man is always tradeable, if things don't work out.

    David West would be my first free agent choice, but I'd be very afraid of a deal that paid him a lot of money over 5 years. 3 with a team option for a fourth, yes.
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    I do agree with your thoughts on Gasol and think the twin towers concept would work for us although most on here seem to disagree.

    Nene would be my first choice and I'd be willing to bet that he opts out. He's having a fringe all star level year and has been healthy for several full seasons now. If Nene were to be a free agent under this cba he'd be looking at a big pay increase. I don't see him losing anything under the new cba at least not near the end of his new contract so I see it as a low risk move for him to opt out. West would not be at the top of my list due to his age and size but I could live with signing him.

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    Troy Murphy, he's a double-double machine!

    BTW, wow, I just noticed that D.West will already be 31 by the start of next season. I thought he was much younger...
    Thank you Jeff.

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    Troy Murphy, he's a double-double machine!

    BTW, wow, I just noticed that D.West will already be 31 by the start of next season. I thought he was much younger...
    Yep, he's entered the league later than most. He has way less NBA minutes than Dwight Howard or LeBron, for example.

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    I'm having a deja vu here. On every page there's a similar thread, with the same twin tower idea of Marc Gasol and Roy that gets (reasonably imo) shut down. Only the posters are different. Do you guys have multiple accounts?

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    I'm having a deja vu here. On every page there's a similar thread, with the same twin tower idea of Marc Gasol and Roy that gets (reasonably imo) shut down. Only the posters are different. Do you guys have multiple accounts?
    I didn't see the other thread (threads?) where the suggestion was made. Folks, I don't guarantee that all my ideas are good ones, but I do guarantee your money back on the ones you don't like.

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    Anybody else with me when I say this list sucks? We would finally get a whole bunch of money and then the free agents turn out to be garbanzo.

    Look at the Hornets team right now, I know they are in the west, but they have a better team than the Pacers do right now. If you throw all your money at David West we basically become the Hornets but still not as good. If you keep the team we have this season and add David West next year, we might be win 38 games. Yippe!

    Plus I heard David West is very intrigued by the New Jersey Nets.
    Here we come lottery?

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    Anybody else with me when I say this list sucks? We would finally get a whole bunch of money and then the free agents turn out to be garbanzo.

    Look at the Hornets team right now, I know they are in the west, but they have a better team than the Pacers do right now. If you throw all your money at David West we basically become the Hornets but still not as good. If you keep the team we have this season and add David West next year, we might be win 38 games. Yippe!

    Plus I heard David West is very intrigued by the New Jersey Nets.
    IMHO....if TPTB are satisfied with PG being our Starting SF....I think that we should offer Granger to the Hornets for David West.
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    With what he'd done in Yao's absence, I don't think Houston would let him get away, but I'd be interested in Chuck Hayes. Not a lot of offense, but can play 4 & 5 despite his size and is a quintessential blue collar rebounder/defender type.
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    With what he'd done in Yao's absence, I don't think Houston would let him get away, but I'd be interested in Chuck Hayes. Not a lot of offense, but can play 4 & 5 despite his size and is a quintessential blue collar rebounder/defender type.

    If we add Chuck Hayes AND Brian Scalabrine, I think we might have a title contender!


    Nothing against blue collar, but we really need to do much better. i hope we haven't waited all these years just to get a Chuck Hayes.

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    If we add Chuck Hayes AND Brian Scalabrine, I think we might have a title contender!


    Nothing against blue collar, but we really need to do much better. i hope we haven't waited all these years just to get a Chuck Hayes.
    I don't mean as our primary target. But maybe as the second or even a third guy if money/trade options permit. I agree if we just got Hayes it would be a major disappointment, but I don't think we're beyond looking for the kind of role players we lack.

    And, if you buy into the theory that Hibbert would benefit from a tough defensive oriented four, then Hayes would serve a purpose there. This is all pending what the guys we have show us. We still have a major need for toughness inside. Nene would do a lot for us there. West some, but not as much. Although I recognize he contributes greatly in other ways.
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    With what he'd done in Yao's absence, I don't think Houston would let him get away, but I'd be interested in Chuck Hayes. Not a lot of offense, but can play 4 & 5 despite his size and is a quintessential blue collar rebounder/defender type.
    Chuck Hayes is one of my favorite players because he's as physical as Foster but is isn't the detriment on the offensive end of the court that Foster is. Chuck is one of the best post defenders in the NBA.

    IMO, what the Pacers need the most is a SG that can shoot and a Center that can come in and contribute a little offense when Roy is having one of his craptacular games like he has from time to time. Stanko would be great to bring in for that role but if not, I think the Pacers should make a run at Tyson Chandler (doubt he'll want to leave Dallas), Marc Gasol, and Chuck Hayes.

    Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and/or Glen Davis would be a great energy guy to have. He's a lot like Hansbrough in that he has a motor that never stops and is very strong for an undersized PF.
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    As for free agents, the only realistic option i like is David West. Zach Randolph and J-Rich are the other two I like, but given their history I don't think they are realistic for a franchise so self-conscious about its image.

    Nene won't be a free agent, makes no sense to opt out of 11.6 mil without new CBA. Besides, I don't like him next to Hibbert untill Hibbert find that range he missplaced since the Bogut game. Right now that frontline would be so limited offensively, not to mention no answer to Dirks and Wests of the league on defense. I wouldn't mind a February trade of Nene for Hibbert though, makes Denver younger, and we could still go for West in offseason. Granger-West-Nene on paper seem to be a great fit and might be the best 3-4-5 combo in the league.

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    As for free agents, the only realistic option i like is David West. Zach Randolph and J-Rich are the other two I like, but given their history I don't think they are realistic for a franchise so self-conscious about its image.

    Nene won't be a free agent, makes no sense to opt out of 11.6 mil without new CBA. Besides, I don't like him next to Hibbert untill Hibbert find that range he missplaced since the Bogut game. Right now that frontline would be so limited offensively, not to mention no answer to Dirks and Wests of the league on defense. I wouldn't mind a February trade of Nene for Hibbert though, makes Denver younger, and we could still go for West in offseason. Granger-West-Nene on paper seem to be a great fit and might be the best 3-4-5 combo in the league.
    Couldn't agree more with this. I think West is easily the best (and most realistic) choice if we are going to sign a free agent. He's not a slam dunk, but he would upgrade this team in a big way. That's coming from someone who enjoys the Tyler McRoberts two headed monster too.

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    I have thought for some time that Bird might be eyeing AK47 to put between Hibbert and Granger.

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    I have thought for some time that Bird might be eyeing AK47 to put between Hibbert and Granger.
    I wouldn't mind AK47....but he's injury prone.
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    I think AK47 would be a major gamble, if you were to sign him intending that he be the starting power forward for your team. He may be inconsistent like crazy and just not have very much left. On the other hand, it could pay off big time. This is a guy who was just insane when he was the starting power forward for the Jazz. When they didn't have enough pieces around him to look for a lot of balance, he could run all over the court like a mad man. When the Jazz added Okur, Boozer, and then Williams, AK's role changed dramatically. It's sort of hard to say if he actually is what he currently appears to be, or if he's still got that dynamic game in him just waiting to come back out.

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    I think AK47 would be a major gamble, if you were to sign him intending that he be the starting power forward for your team. He may be inconsistent like crazy and just not have very much left. On the other hand, it could pay off big time. This is a guy who was just insane when he was the starting power forward for the Jazz. When they didn't have enough pieces around him to look for a lot of balance, he could run all over the court like a mad man. When the Jazz added Okur, Boozer, and then Williams, AK's role changed dramatically. It's sort of hard to say if he actually is what he currently appears to be, or if he's still got that dynamic game in him just waiting to come back out.
    I initially dismissed the AK47 idea at PF and then checked out this, where half his time is spent at PF and he has a very good PER rating:

    http://www.82games.com/1011/10UTA7.HTM

    Interesting when you compare him to Josh Smith and his PER at the PF spot:

    http://www.82games.com/1011/10ATL11.HTM

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    Please no AK47

    now his nickname should be "AK Starter Pistol"

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    Speaking strictly of free agents (or players than may opt out), considering each position, I like the following:

    PF -
    West (starter), Landry (backup), McRoberts (backup only) Glen Davis (backup), Humphries (backup). Randolph is a fine offensive player, but I wouldn't touch him.

    C -
    Perkins (backup/part time starter)

    SG / PG-
    Jamal Crawford (combo guard), Daniels (can still guard PG, SG, SF)

    SF -
    Wilson Chandler

    I would definitely go after West first. If West cannot be signed, then I would try to work a trade to acquire a good PF. If that does not progress, I would sign both of Landry and McRoberts, depending on dollars.

    Secondly, I would go after Perkins as a backup center, or a heavy minutes player on those occassions that Hibbert is missing in action. Perkins is not the greatest offensive player in the world, but he can guard virtually any center in the league straight up

    If Hibbert can't get it turned around before the end of this season, I would consider picking up a stronger scoring SG like Jamal Crawford. If we feel as though we need an SG/PG that can score from the perimeter but cannot get our hands on Crawford, I would look into acquiring Kirk Hinrich through a trade. He has only one year left at 8M, thus would be an expiring contract that is viewed as a very good player by most other teams in the league. He could traded next season, allowed to expire, used in a sign and trade or even re-signed for less money. That's not to move away from the youth movement at SG or PG either one, it's just that Hinrich is a great backcourt utility player to have around to fill almost any need you would have.

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    Speaking strictly of free agents (or players than may opt out), considering each position, I like the following:

    PF -
    West (starter), Landry (backup), McRoberts (backup only) Glen Davis (backup), Humphries (backup). Randolph is a fine offensive player, but I wouldn't touch him.

    C -
    Perkins (backup/part time starter)

    SG / PG-
    Jamal Crawford (combo guard), Daniels (can still guard PG, SG, SF)

    SF -
    Wilson Chandler

    I would definitely go after West first. If West cannot be signed, then I would try to work a trade to acquire a good PF. If that does not progress, I would sign both of Landry and McRoberts, depending on dollars.

    Secondly, I would go after Perkins as a backup center, or a heavy minutes player on those occassions that Hibbert is missing in action. Perkins is not the greatest offensive player in the world, but he can guard virtually any center in the league straight up

    If Hibbert can't get it turned around before the end of this season, I would consider picking up a stronger scoring SG like Jamal Crawford. If we feel as though we need an SG/PG that can score from the perimeter but cannot get our hands on Crawford, I would look into acquiring Kirk Hinrich through a trade. He has only one year left at 8M, thus would be an expiring contract that is viewed as a very good player by most other teams in the league. He could traded next season, allowed to expire, used in a sign and trade or even re-signed for less money. That's not to move away from the youth movement at SG or PG either one, it's just that Hinrich is a great backcourt utility player to have around to fill almost any need you would have.

    Might I add Tracy McGrady to your list as well? I think that if he's healthy (Which he has been), he's a very effective 1/2/3 off the bench. Very versatile like Marquis.

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    Might I add Tracy McGrady to your list as well? I think that if he's healthy (Which he has been), he's a very effective 1/2/3 off the bench. Very versatile like Marquis.
    T-Mac is gonna go 2 a contender next yr he just needed a yr of rehab he is looking really good of late.

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