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    Ray Allen will break Reggie Miller's career 3 point record probably by the end of February, are we all aware of this?

    Simmons alerted it to me in his column today. Ray is only 17 behind Reggie as it stands today.

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    Records are made to be broken. Only the ones predicated by the fact that players played against inferior opponents (like Wilt scoring 100 in 1 game), will stand the test of time.
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    I was just hoping that Reggie could get into the Hall before his record would be broken, but I knew that was a pipe dream when Reggie retired. Good for Ray Allen, too bad his record will not last either the way shots go up anymore from outside the arc...

    Hell, who knows.... Maybe Danny will shatter Ray's record at the rate he tosses up 3PA's!
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    I don't know that it's a foregone conclusion that someone will break Ray's record, he and Reggie are 800 made 3s ahead of the next closest person.

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    I don't know that it's a foregone conclusion that someone will break Ray's record, he and Reggie are 800 made 3s ahead of the next closest person.
    I didn't know that... You're probably right considering the gap.

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    I heard a commentator say that he thought Ray was, still, the best shooter in the league. Nash might be second.

    I'm not sure if that's true, but I can't think of anyone else that actually gets a lot of playing time.

    Ray's also going to have a few more years to expand the record, so..even though his record will most likely some day be broken, I think it'll be a while. I don't think anyone currently in the NBA will break it.

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    I heard a commentator say that he thought Ray was, still, the best shooter in the league. Nash might be second.

    I'm not sure if that's true, but I can't think of anyone else that actually gets a lot of playing time.

    Ray's also going to have a few more years to expand the record, so..even though his record will most likely some day be broken, I think it'll be a while. I don't think anyone currently in the NBA will break it.
    I think those two are head and shoulders above the rest. Except, of course, the greatest shooter who ever lived (JJ Redick).

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    I was unaware he was that close.

    Im biased I know, but as great a 3pt shooter Ray Allen is, he will never be the playoff clutch killer Reggie was
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...8&sportCat=nba

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    Allen: I hope you enjoyed the "Reggie Miller versus Ray Allen" debate. It's been over for a year. Right now, Ray ranks second in 3-pointers made (2,543, just 17 behind Reggie; nobody else is within 800 of them) and second in 3s attempted (6,388), only he's made 40 percent of them (one of 40 players who can say that). He's also the fourth-best free throw shooter ever (89.4 percent). Given his phenomenal work ethic, we can safely say 25,000 points, 3,000 made 3s and a 45-40-90 career percentages are in play. I just don't think we're seeing that again. His extended prime made him the most efficient shooting guard who ever lived; throw in his clutch shooting numbers (see sidebar) and it's been a wildly underrated career.



    Other than Reggie, you know who the biggest loser is here? Sam Presti, who made a totally defensible trade when he was rebuilding Seattle around Kevin Durant in 2007 (Allen and the rights to Glen Davis for the rights to Jeff Green, Delonte West and Wally Szczerbiak's expiring contract) and never imagined he was giving up five or six more killer Ray Allen seasons. I can't wait for the "40 for 40" documentary about the 2007 draft in 10 years.



    NBA.com's "Stats Cube" examined Ray Allen's career this week and found the following things:

    • Only 12 players attempted 300-plus 3-pointers and made 39 percent or more in one season. Reggie Miller did it a record nine times; Ray Allen has done it seven times (this year will probably be No. 8).

    • Allen's 3-point percentages by quarter (since 1996-97): 41.3 (First), 40.6 (Second), 39.9 (Third), 38.5 (Fourth), and 43.4 (OT). For fourth quarter and OT combined, only five players averaged higher than 36 percent in the past 15 years: Steve Nash (45.6 percent), Allen (42.6 percent), Jason Terry (41.9 percent), Chauncey Billups (41.3 percent) and Dirk Nowitzki (37.1 percent). Reggie Miller over that time: 34.1 percent.

    • The top-5 for clutch 3-point shooting (either OT or 3:00 or less in the fourth, with a margin of three points or fewer) since 1996-97: Mike Bibby (41.8 percent), Allen (40.2 percent), Terry (39.2 percent), Billups (38.4 percent), Nash (37.8 percent). Reggie Miller from 1996 to 2005: 33.1 percent.

    • Allen is averaging better than 45 percent on 3-pointers in five cities: Miami (50 percent), Toronto (47.6 percent), Golden State (46.8 percent), Memphis (46.2 percent) and Denver (45.2 percent).

    • Since 1996-97, Allen has attempted 25.9 percent of his 3s from the corners (making 42.4 percent) and 74.1 percent from everywhere else (making 39.3 percent).

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    screw bill simmons. he has some sort of beef with indiana. he says Ray is better than Reggie. Ray Allen is so effin' soft. Allen couldn't hold Miller's jock strap.

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    I still remember loving Glen Rice

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    screw bill simmons. he has some sort of beef with indiana. he says Ray is better than Reggie. Ray Allen is so effin' soft. Allen couldn't hold Miller's jock strap.
    Bill Simmons very may well dislike Indiana, just as I dislike Boston, but saying that Ray Allen couldn't hold Reggie Miller's jock is just plain silly.
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    I'd like to see Playoff stats on Reggie, weight it by round and then game within each round, then by quarter. Giving greater weight to game sevens, ECF, 4th quarter. That type of thing.

    Taking nothing away from Ray Allen, but I'd take Reggie on a last second shot, everytime without hesitation.

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    Ray Allen is so effin' soft. Allen couldn't hold Miller's jock strap.


    lol that's just ridiculous.

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    Simmons doesn't even hate Indiana. He thinks the Lakers vs. Pacers finals was one of the best series of the past 15 years.
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    Hell, who knows.... Maybe Danny will shatter Ray's record at the rate he tosses up 3PA's!
    He's going to have to start hitting a lot more of them first.

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    Yes, Ray Allen is a tremendous shooter. But can you imagine what Reggie could have done playing third fiddle like Ray did in Milwaukee and Boston? Only time Allen was first option was with Lewis in Seattle, and they didn't do anything.
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    Yes, Ray Allen is a tremendous shooter. But can you imagine what Reggie could have done playing third fiddle like Ray did in Milwaukee and Boston? Only time Allen was first option was with Lewis in Seattle, and they didn't do anything.
    Other than his rookie season, when was Ray Allen ever a 3rd fiddle in Milwaukee? He averaged over 20 points per in his time there and was either 1st or 2nd leading scorer (per game) in every season he played other than his rookie year.
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    I'd like to see Playoff stats on Reggie, weight it by round and then game within each round, then by quarter. Giving greater weight to game sevens, ECF, 4th quarter. That type of thing.

    Taking nothing away from Ray Allen, but I'd take Reggie on a last second shot, everytime without hesitation.
    I don't think you can go wrong with either. I've seen Ray hit enough to know he's clutch, and Reggie obviously was. They are two of the best shooters ever in the NBA. You're lucky to have either in an end of game situation.

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    as the leader of a franchise, allen took his teams nowhere compared to what reggie did in indiana. even with a prime cassell and glen robinson his teams consistently lost to reggie's pacers in the playoffs. imho, allen is not close to reggie as a player or as a leader. not until allen was surrounded by hall of famers and the 3rd or 4th best player on his team did he even make the finals.

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    Simmons has Reggie ranked higher than Ray in his book.

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    I've always secretly desired for Ray to either willingly retire or incur a career ending, but not "quality of life" hindering injury before he breaks Reggie's record.

    Petty of me, I know... But regardless, I still hope it happens. Still a few games left! :P
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    I've always secretly desired for Ray to either willingly retire or incur a career ending, but not "quality of life" hindering injury before he breaks Reggie's record.

    Petty of me, I know... But regardless, I still hope it happens. Still a few games left! :P
    I'm ashamed, but I've had these same thoughts for the past two years.

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    I'd like to see Playoff stats on Reggie, weight it by round and then game within each round, then by quarter. Giving greater weight to game sevens, ECF, 4th quarter. That type of thing.

    Taking nothing away from Ray Allen, but I'd take Reggie on a last second shot, everytime without hesitation.
    ...you realize Reggie didn't fare very well in the majority of his elimination games, right?
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