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In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

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  • #16
    Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

    Originally posted by Peck View Post
    Or at least in my mind that is what I want to believe.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...-now-s-defense

    Written by
    Mike Wells

    If there was one thing the Indiana Pacers could rely on early in the season, it was their scrappy defense.

    They took charges, communicated on the court and denied passing lanes. In the process, they became one of the league's leaders in field goal percentage defense.

    Times have changed, though. During their current six-game losing streak, the Pacers have reverted to what they did defensively in previous seasons.

    "We come in with a game plan, but we seem to do everything except execute it these days," veteran Jeff Foster said. "If guys aren't focused in on what we have to do, then the defense will suffer."

    Opponents have shot at least 50 percent from the field against the Pacers in four of the past five games. It took the first 24 games for four foes to shoot at least 50 percent from the field. The Pacers have dropped to seventh in the league in field goal defense (44.2 percent).

    Things began to change on defense when players started worrying about the underachieving offense. In previous seasons, offense had been a strength.

    With New Jersey in town tonight, the Pacers find themselves struggling on both ends.

    "It's like we're overly concerned with our offense because it's been a struggling point for us, that we're slipping on defense," swingman Mike Dunleavy said. "We need to get back to defending the way we're capable of.

    "We just need to worry about the offense secondarily, because I think we've tried so hard to solve that, we've neglected the defense and now we're not doing either one well."

    Center Roy Hibbert has not been a factor defensively. He is averaging 1.1 blocked shots a game this month after averaging 2.1 during the first two months of the season.

    "Roy hasn't been playing a lot lately," forward Danny Granger said. "Roy used to give us a back line of defense when teams would drive on us. We've also had so many different lineup changes, too. That plays a part in messing up our schemes."
    Jim O'Brien, an offensive-minded coach, has replaced Josh McRoberts in the starting lineup with Tyler Hansbrough. McRoberts is more of a blue-collar worker, while Hansbrough is the team's best scoring threat in the frontcourt.

    O'Brien also recently took T.J. Ford -- the Pacers' best defensive point guard, according to O'Brien -- out of the rotation. A.J. Price has moved into his spot.

    "Anytime you go from a guy that has been in the league for a little bit to a (second-year player), rotations and the understanding of the defense is not there," O'Brien said. "The only way they're going to learn is by getting a lot of game experience."

    Etc.
    Swingman Brandon Rush will be out about two weeks with a sprained right ankle. Rush, who is wearing a walking boot, injured his ankle in the third quarter against Orlando on Wednesday. Price will get some of Rush's minutes at shooting guard. . . . Ford will be at Dick's Sporting Goods at Castleton Mall to take part in a coat drive from 4:30-6 p.m. Sunday. Fans donating gently used or new coats will receive two tickets to either the Feb. 9 game against Charlotte or the Feb. 11 game against Minnesota.


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    Also I think Mike is pointing out that Josh being out of the lineup may be hurting the defense as well.

    Again that is not a bash at Tyler at all, he has done fine in his position. It is however a slap at JOB for once again deciding that Josh should go from starter to inactive and come hell or high water James Posey will be active and most likely play or we must by law have 4 wing players in the game.

    It's so dang simple to me that I just don't get it other than Jim's absolute love of the stretch four (which doesn't work) and his fascination with wing players.

    Roy & Tyler start, first one goes to the bench (doesn't matter who) in come Josh, then Jeff can replace the other and then they replace each other. But nooooooooooooooooooo.....

    Oh well why waste my time thinking or complaining about this.

    LOL

    I read that article just no, and that was the first thing I saw. I was like whoa.

    Dont hold back DG
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    • #17
      Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

      Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
      So somebody is telling Jim to play Posey at power forward and making him guard players like Amare and Griffing?................ F it let's fire everybody then.
      calm down, it is not my theory that he is being told - take it up with those who think he is being told.

      My point obviously is you can't have it both ways. If Jim is being told who to play then you cannot criticize Jim for who he plays.

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      • #18
        Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        Did you not see my thread from yesterday asking if a realistic scernerio could be worked out to bring in a new coach? How is that defending the current coach. Name anyone else who has been more steadfast in saying that there is a zero % chance that JOB will be back next season - how is that defending the current coach.

        I will continue to do what I have always done, defend the defendable and defend against statements I think are wrong. Like when someone suggests that poor coaching is the only reason why we lose so many close games.
        UB, I agree with you quite often. I think the problem is that people see your defense in the coach as being pro-O'Brien. I began to understand a while back that you have this mean reversion thing going on where you lean toward rationality and often times add a touch of devil's advocate, because of the "herd" mentality that this board has. I felt like I was watching PD live this morning on the television when I was actually watching the protests in Egypt. I appreciate your opinions. Keep it up.
        "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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        • #19
          Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          calm down, it is not my theory that he is being told - take it up with those who think he is being told.

          My point obviously is you can't have it both ways. If Jim is being told who to play then you cannot criticize Jim for who he plays.
          I was been sarcastic(like always) I think he is been told to give more playing time to the young guys but he is still giving the majority of the minutes to his guys and they are also finishing games. I think he plays the young guys to calm whoever is telling him to do this down and then he does whatever he wants in the second half.
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • #20
            Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            calm down, it is not my theory that he is being told - take it up with those who think he is being told.

            My point obviously is you can't have it both ways. If Jim is being told who to play then you cannot criticize Jim for who he plays.
            Don't get into a sarcasm battle with vznla81. You won't win. I think it is the same thing. Bird is hands off for the most part, but he sits down with Jim and discusses some of the issues amongst the team. It is the same thing I do with my managers. Their discussions lead to suggestions or ideas, but I don't think Bird would give Jim an ultimatum over how to do his job. I am sure Jim sees what he sees and understands the team's downfalls. He just makes adjustments that many times the people on here won't agree with. We all want the young guys to play, but the turnovers, the volatile play, the defensive lapses, and inconsistency in rapport will all happen with those young guys. You also get unbelievably talented plays, extra athleticism, durability, and sparks of great play that have more potential than the older guys. We need more talent in the old guys and more consistency in the young guys. And that's a formula for failure. Bird's plan should have been about five years, but that is a tougher sell than three. We all want Jim to make decisions on the long-term, but he and the Pacers organization want wins now to make a playoff push and sell tickets. It is not nearly as easy as we want to think it is. I think the only way Bird is willing to control Jim's lineups would be to shape the roster different. And in doing so, it makes this team a new product. Bird still has to show patience in making deals. We are in a great position to to improve this team. To take the first deal right now would be a mistake just to change the coach's rotations.
            "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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            • #21
              Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

              Son of a frakin bytch!

              "Price will see time at the shooting guard"

              Get ready for a DC/AJ back court

              and no Lance
              Sittin on top of the world!

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              • #22
                Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                Son of a frakin bytch!

                "Price will see time at the shooting guard"

                Get ready for a DC/AJ back court

                and no Lance
                And unfortunately, it sounds like it means that Dunleavy will get more minutes now with Brandon out. I think I would like to see AJ play more than Dunleavy, but I would ensure George at 30+ minutes every night. Period. Then fill in with AJ and Dun.
                "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. … You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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                • #23
                  Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                  I'm glad Danny spoke up on behalf of his teammates. Too many different line ups, not enough experience together = terrible defense. Now Jim is talking about playing AJ at the 2 spot more....how do you think that will help the defense? We gonna have a short fry backcourt. Why does JOB think this will work?

                  I struggle to even understand why he made a change at the end of November. I mean we lost a few games, but shouldn't you try to fix it before change the line up all willy nilly?
                  You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                  • #24
                    Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    O'Brien said. "The only way they're going to learn is by getting a lot of game experience."

                    So you knew this s*** all this time and you keep playing old a$$ players?
                    I hope anyone who previously argued that a young guy sitting, watching, and practicing was as good as a young guy playing in games is reading this.

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                    • #25
                      Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      I hope anyone who previously argued that a young guy sitting, watching, and practicing was as good as a young guy playing in games is reading this.
                      You should make a thread with this comments so all those guys get to see this.
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                      • #26
                        Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                        UB, you're ignoring the fact that Jim was tinkering with lineups WAY before AJ and PG started getting heavy minutes.

                        You're acting like Jim just started messing around with the rotations, instead of acknowledging that he's been doing it for 3+ years.

                        But other than that, you're right, it is all whoever is telling him to play the younger players fault for the instability......
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • #27
                          Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                          The following quotes stood out for me:

                          "Roy hasn't been playing a lot lately," forward Danny Granger said. "Roy used to give us a back line of defense when teams would drive on us.
                          So, interior defense has become a big problem. A noteworthy and fair critizism considering how Hibbert has played lately.

                          We've also had so many different lineup changes, too. That plays a part in messing up our schemes."
                          Another fair critizism. It's hard developing consistency or chemistry when your starting lineup is constantly in flux. Even Hansborough mentioned as much recently when he commented on the adjustment he's had to make in playing with guys he hadn't played with before. I suspect the same is true for Paul George. If understanding the offensive schemes is so problematic for the youngsters, JOB has two choices: 1) simplify the offense, or 2) let the players play more freely. Allow them to create shot opportunities for themselves.

                          Jim O'Brien, an offensive-minded coach, has replaced Josh McRoberts in the starting lineup with Tyler Hansbrough. McRoberts is more of a blue-collar worker, while Hansbrough is the team's best scoring threat in the frontcourt.
                          Not sure what to make of this especially considering JOB's comments below concerning young players gaining experience through playing time. How else is Jmac to grasp what he's doing wrong and make the necessary adjustments if he's planted on the bench?

                          O'Brien also recently took T.J. Ford -- the Pacers' best defensive point guard, according to O'Brien -- out of the rotation. A.J. Price has moved into his spot.

                          "Anytime you go from a guy that has been in the league for a little bit to a (second-year player), rotations and the understanding of the defense is not there," O'Brien said. "The only way they're going to learn is by getting a lot of game experience."
                          This begs the following questions: "Was TJ Ford merely being showcased all this time? Does AJ Price play better defense? Or has AJ been swapped for TJ just because AJ is a more efficient 3-pt shooter?

                          If TJ is the better defender yet you want to retain pressure defense and put a faster, more accurate 3-pt shooter on the floor, wouldn't it make more sense to pair the two especially considering Dunleavy and BRush have been strugging of late?

                          Three things we do know about AJ Price: 1) he's fast; 2) he understands how to run the offense; and 3) he's not afraid to take the shot.

                          I've always felt that JOB should go with a 3 PG rotation. I think there's enough minutes to go around to do that, but at the very least you sit Posey and use AJ at SG. He's smaller, but he's cocky enough not to be intimidated and smart enough to know what to do with the ball.

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                          • #28
                            Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                            How is our coach supposed to coach with confidence when our players publicly bash him in the media like this? No wonder Jim keeps using random rotations and calling bad plays out of timeouts. He is scared the players are just going to quit and not like him anymore. I bet Jim is thinking about seeing a sports psychologist to deal with all this mental abuse.

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                            • #29
                              Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                              Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                              How is our coach supposed to coach with confidence when our players publicly bash him in the media like this? No wonder Jim keeps using random rotations and calling bad plays out of timeouts. He is scared the players are just going to quit and not like him anymore. I bet Jim is thinking about seeing a sports psychologist to deal with all this mental abuse.
                              What a sissy......
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                              • #30
                                Re: In today's article Danny takes a backhanded swipe at JOB

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                I hope anyone who previously argued that a young guy sitting, watching, and practicing was as good as a young guy playing in games is reading this.
                                Who said as good as? I have said you can learn without an audience. If a player doesn't know what he should be doing, they are not ready to be in the game. Once basic mistakes are minimized then in game experience is necessary to maximize ones potential. This doesn't mean a rookie needs to start day one, or that the only way to learn is being thrown to the wolves.

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