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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

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There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

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  • David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...thornets012411

    by: Adrian Wojnarowksi

    The future of the New Orleans Hornets has long been centered on Chris Paul, but much of this season – and beyond – hinges on the contract extension talks the franchise’s front office has entered into with forward David West.

    New Orleans general manager Dell Demps has discussed the framework of a multiyear deal with West’s agents at Octagon, but the Hornets’ hopes of getting him signed prior to the Feb. 24 trade deadline is “not likely at all,” one source close to the talks told Yahoo! Sports.


    David West can opt out of the final year of his contract and become a free agent.


    West plans to opt out of the $7.5 million owed him in the final season of a five-year, $45 million contract and expects to command north of $10 million a season on the market, sources said.

    “It’s hard to see an extension happening here,” one source said.

    Demps said he and West have an agreement that they won’t speak publicly about any discussions, but the GM told Yahoo! Sports: “We’re happy with David and we want him here for a long time.”

    For Demps, the question will be, should the Hornets consider trading West at the deadline out of fear of getting nothing back for one of the franchise’s cornerstone players? With the way the Hornets are playing – winners of eight straight, and now tied with Dallas for the fourth seed in the Western Conference – it’s a difficult proposition to break up this core prior to the playoffs. Nevertheless, West’s expiring contract could fetch the Hornets comparable talent with longer-term money owed to a player.

    Demps would have a chance to make a sign-and-trade deal for West after the season, too. West has averaged 18.9 points, 7.4 rebounds and shot 51 percent for the Hornets this season. He’s played his entire eight-year career with the Hornets, but the chance to play for a championship contender appeals to him. The uncertainty surrounding the NBA taking over ownership of the Hornets, as well as the franchise’s potential relocation, leave a lot of unanswered questions for a player being asked to commit long-term to the franchise.

    “Under the current labor deal, I think he’ll get that $10 million a year,” said one rival GM who would have interest in signing West. “But who knows under the next deal?”

    West, 31, had a strong relationship with past GM Jeff Bower, who drafted him, and has grown fond of Demps and coach Monty Williams. Nevertheless, he’ll likely resist re-signing with the Hornets now to go into what will likely be a post-lockout free-agent market.
    I would LOVE to get West her in Indy. People can say what they will about him "not complimenting" Hibbert's game, but considering West is an 8 year veteran and an All-Star (who just happened to run the pick & roll to perfection with Darren Collison last season), I think we should worry about how Hibbert should compliment West's game (if we were to go after him). Roy Hibbert, as much as I like him, is NOT going to be the centerpiece of the team. So if we have a chance to go out and get a legit All-Star caliber PF, we need to do everything we can to make it happen.
    Last edited by SMosley21; 01-25-2011, 01:20 PM.

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    Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

    This team needs talent, we're not in a position quite yet to be nitpicking about players complementing eachother tremendously
    Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!

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      Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

      Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
      This team needs talent, we're not in a position quite yet to be nitpicking about players complementing eachother tremendously
      You are right.....but it so happens that David West does have a familiarity and working relationship with DC...so I'd think that it would benefit him and the Pacers.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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        Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

        Maybe Darren can have a "friendly conversation" with him after the season ends.

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          Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

          Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
          This team needs talent, we're not in a position quite yet to be nitpicking about players complementing eachother tremendously
          It's all moot anyways because David West is a picture-perfect fit for what we need at power forward.

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            Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

            I like West on offense. I'm not a fan of him on defense, and I'm afraid I won't be a fan of his contract in a few months.

            Two out of 3 ain't good.

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              Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

              Hmm. The Bugs are looking for "comparable talent with longer-term money."

              I don't think we can give them that.
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                Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

                I would definitely love to get David West here on this team. A perfect pick-and-roll player, especially when he'd be back playing with DC, plus a guy who can probably hit the midrange J 95 out of 100 times, he would help us out tremendously. So what if he's starting to get a few years on him, I see now decline in him yet--I still see him increasing a little each year. If you haven't seen last night's highlights from the Hornets/Thunder game, GO CHECK THEM OUT--D-West owned the last minute (and the victory)!!!

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                  Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

                  Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                  Hmm. The Bugs are looking for "comparable talent with longer-term money."

                  I don't think we can give them that.
                  Who can though? There aren't many "comparable" players available. At least in the rumors. Off the top of my head, I can think only of Rockets and Scola, Utah and Al Jefferson. But if they can't afford 10 mil per, they won't want those two.

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                    Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

                    A deal structured around Dunleavy and Hansbrough might interest them. Probably not enough but that's probably the least that New Orleans would take. I'm sure they'd rather have Danny and Hibbert but that ain't happening.

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                      Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

                      Originally posted by ballism View Post
                      Who can though? There aren't many "comparable" players available. At least in the rumors. Off the top of my head, I can think only of Rockets and Scola, Utah and Al Jefferson. But if they can't afford 10 mil per, they won't want those two.
                      Why don't we send them an expiring (TJ, Dun, Foster) and a Brandon Rush/Paul George and then send a first to New York and have NY send Randolph to New Orleans. They've got a bevy of trade exceptions they could use to keep their incoming within the appropriate range of West's outgoing. NY gets their first for Melo and we get West.

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                        Re: David West and Hornets Not Close on Contract Extension (Yahoo! Sports)

                        Originally posted by Karlton View Post
                        Why don't we send them an expiring (TJ, Dun, Foster) and a Brandon Rush/Paul George and then send a first to New York and have NY send Randolph to New Orleans. They've got a bevy of trade exceptions they could use to keep their incoming within the appropriate range of West's outgoing. NY gets their first for Melo and we get West.
                        Take Paul George out of that scenario and I think we've got a winner.

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