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    Default Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    I'll be honest, I didn't think he would add much to the team this year but I didn't outright denounce him as having no value. He has been pretty damn great lately though. He's not as quick/athletic as he once was but damn is he a smart player. I'm amazed that his body has allowed him to play as much as he has recently. He logged 30 minutes last night against a really fast paced offensive team, and has been over 25 minutes in our last 3 games.

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    @Golden State - 3 points, 15 rebounds, 1 steal (30 minutes)
    @Los Angeles (C) - 4 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 block (29 minutes)
    vs. Chicago - 6 points, 15 rebounds, 2 steals (26 minutes)


    I never would have thought before the season started that Jeff Foster would not only play significant minutes this season, but also increase his trade value in the process.
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    Jeff is not uping his trade value, he is only increasing the amount of money the Pacers are going to give him for his next contract.

    I'm not saying I like it but Jeff is not going anywhere, unless there is such a deal that Bird can't turn it down.

    I just worry that all of this cap space will be cut in half by re-signing Dunleavy & Foster.


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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    Jeff has impressed me.

    I still hope we don't waste money on him.

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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    Instead of saying Jeff is done, I just see people criticizing him now.

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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

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    Instead of saying Jeff is done, I just see people criticizing him now.
    A lot of which is unwarranted. People expect too much out of Jeff. He's never been, nor will he ever be a threat on the offensive end (other than the boards and keeping plays alive). He doesn't make many mental errors, so there isn't much room to complain about there. Honestly, the only thing I've been able to complain about from Jeff are a few poorly timed jumpers. Overall though, I think Jeff's performance recently has been nothing but a good thing.

    DISCLAIMER: This isn't any indication that I want the team to re-sign Foster after the season.
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    Irrelevant.
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    Instead of saying Jeff is done, I just see people criticizing him now.
    Not criticizing him personally, he's definitely played much better than he has in a couple years, but I wouldn't want to spend another contract on him.

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    Not criticizing him personally, he's definitely played much better than he has in a couple years, but I wouldn't want to spend another contract on him.
    I agree.


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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    Didn't say you did, but I've generally seen it. Jeff is who he has been for years, basically. I don't see the point in criticizing him now.

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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    He's been a pretty steady force as of late. I wouldn't want him back at his current price tag, but I wouldn't mind having him back.

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    I an not eating anything. I still don't think he's all that great. He's playing because we desperately need a rebounder and defense. But I thought he contributed to that last loss with stupid fouls at stupid times.

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    He's been a pretty steady force as of late. I wouldn't want him back at his current price tag, but I wouldn't mind having him back.
    I agree. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that he has been our best defensive player, certainly a candidate for defensive MVP, if there was such a thing. Definitely a candidate for best 6th man (although he is often not the first off the bench he is certainly one of our best bench players). In fact, with all of Roy's problems, a case could be made that Foster should start at C, at least based on some of the matchups.

    Jeff's a smart guy with a good business sense, and he also wants to retire as a Pacer, but not coach. If he is healthy, and even if we get another big, I would love to have Jeff back.

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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    At this point, the best thing Jeff could do for us is net something decent in return for his expiring contract. Glad to see he's been able to get some PT this year but I'd much rather see Josh getting those minutes.

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    Jeff is not uping his trade value, he is only increasing the amount of money the Pacers are going to give him for his next contract.

    I'm not saying I like it but Jeff is not going anywhere, unless there is such a deal that Bird can't turn it down.

    I just worry that all of this cap space will be cut in half by re-signing Dunleavy & Foster.

    That's a discouraging post. Perish the thought. Bird WAAAY overpaid for Foster 2 years ago, and to read he might do it again just ruins my day.

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    At this point, the best thing Jeff could do for us is net something decent in return for his expiring contract.

    Couldn't agree more. Foster is another injury waiting to happen.

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    I reserve to right to have to eat crow when the season is over. I want to see if this streak continues, if he can remain healthy, and can contribute at a level that will make me have to eat crow. In this case, I'll just adopt Bird's philosophy of patience b4 making a decision.

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    honestly i thought he was horrible last night..yea he had a decent amount of rebounds but imo he was a big part of why we lost last night..even my girl (who doesnt ever watch basketball) was asking why they would keep him in the game when the guy (hansbrough) that did good earlier was on the bench.I swear on both ends of the floor in the 4th he was messing up left and right

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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    The pick and roll with Jeff late in the 4th was horrible. Everyone was out of position. Jeff was tired and played too long. Josh got the start, why not let him or Tyler finish. Lee schooled Jeff in the 4th.

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    The fact that he is playing 30 minutes actually makes me mad because we are still losing ballgames. HANS and McBob are taken out in crunch time. I will eat no crow until he shows that playing all those minutes wins us ballgames.

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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    I love Jeff Foster. To hell with those of you who don't. I'd gladly take him back on this team next year--if he took a paycut.

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    The fact that he is playing 30 minutes actually makes me mad because we are still losing ballgames. HANS and McBob are taken out in crunch time. I will eat no crow until he shows that playing all those minutes wins us ballgames.
    I don't think that's fair. Just because you don't win the ballgames? Really? There are tons of decent players playing for bad teams, so either you set your bar really high or your criteria need some adjusting. Because right now, Foster's contribution is better on a per minute basis than any of our other bigs. Maybe if Hibbert could stay out of foul trouble and start playing like he did at the beginning of this season, then he could finish the games. And people have already stated their case as to why McBob is removed during crunch time.

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    I love Jeff Foster. To hell with those of you who don't. I'd gladly take him back on this team next year--if he took a paycut.


    Just interested in what kind of money do you think the Pacers should sign Foster for??

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    Just interested in what kind of money do you think the Pacers should sign Foster for??
    Personally I'd give him the vet minimum. Jeff knows that his current salary has him very overpaid and he's a loyal guy. If the front office comes to him after this season and tells him we want to keep him around for another year (maybe even 2) at the veteran minimum, I have a hard time believing he would turn that deal down. Problem is, the current vet minimum is $1.3 million but that ends after this season. It's going to be up to the CBA to determine what the vet minimum will be going into next season.
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    Default Re: Who's eating crow over Jeff Foster?

    I suppose I would be one of the people who this thread was aimed at.

    He has played decent enough. Nothing really special, in my opinion. However, he has been able to play more games consecutively than I ever imagined he would.

    I still see no reason to play him as a member of the rotation. I just don't think he contributes anything at a level that warrants taking away valuable game experience from our younger players who will be at least the equal of Foster before their careers are over, which Jeff's surely is after this season. As a Pacer anyway, it should be over. I would hope we don't make a contract extension mistake with the same guy twice.

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    I suppose I would be one of the people who this thread was aimed at.

    He has played decent enough. Nothing really special, in my opinion. However, he has been able to play more games consecutively than I ever imagined he would.

    I still see no reason to play him as a member of the rotation. I just don't think he contributes anything at a level that warrants taking away valuable game experience from our younger players who will be at least the equal of Foster before their careers are over, which Jeff's surely is after this season. As a Pacer anyway, it should be over. I would hope we don't make a contract extension mistake with the same guy twice.
    Not aimed at any particular people. I just remember seeing more than a few people claiming that Foster shouldn't see any playing time at all and that he would not have any value on the court. Hell I was even one of those people who didn't think he had much value other than as a veteran leader. He has surprised me with his ability to log significant minutes and still rebound at a high rate.
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