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    I bet Nolan wanted Hugo Strange for the main villian, but the new Batman game coming out already has Hugo as the lead villian this time. Game should be awesome!

    I'd be hopeful that at least at the very beginning we see Batman capture the riddler or hugo, but mostly as a cameo. Bane could be want fans want, a real good fight scene(s) for Batman.
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    I just remembered that this was the second time a major character was left in a room with no explanation of what happened next. Another time was when joker thre Rachel out a window and Batman saves her. Where does the Joker go? Why doesn't Batman go back up there and kick his ***? CUT TO NEW SCENE!
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    Yes, the scene that bothered me the most is the one LA just described.

    All I can ever imagine is that once Batman and Rachel hit the ground there is a lag there and between when Batman could get back upstairs allowing Joker the time to escape.

    Personally, I think Bane will be a great villain.

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    I very much enjoyed watching both of Nolan's Batman movies but I just could not forgive him for his egregious plot holes in The Dark Knight.

    He had the movie going at such a steady clip that other people didn't notice them, but I was left just completely pissed off. That's not to say that I didn't love watching the movie, because I did. I still can't let some of the idiotic sequences go. The "getting a fingerprint from a bullet by shooting a bunch of bullets that the guy never used into bricks that weren't at the crime scene" sequence led to "The Joker has predicted that I could get an impossible fingerprint from a shattered bullet and has set up an elaborate trap based on this pre-knowledge" which led to "now that the Joker has set his trap into motion, and I'm looking out a window at an assasination attempt, I'm not going to go down three flights of stairs to catch him. I'm just going to show up HOURS LATER someplace ELSE to give Harvey a lecture on noble behavior."

    I've seen the movie three times. That 20 minutes is a laugh riot of absurdities.

    Batman Begins, however, is solid, succinct, consistent and fairly well executed.
    I love the movie like no other, but I agree there are some plot holes.

    The one that gets me: When the Joker is at police headquarters and calls that phone that is sewn in that guy's stomach and it blows up. How the hell is everyone in police headquarters blown halfway to hell but the Joker just pops up and retrieves the only other guy who didn't get knocked out by the explosion. Huh? Why is the Joker fine? What happened to all the police officers? Were there none in the rest of the building?

    Also, with all the Joker's elaborate plans, everything has to go perfectly as planned, down to the last second. Which is fine, movies take liberties, but man some of his schemes are so far out there.

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    It's all...part of the plan...

    Anyone ever wonder if they stole that from Dexter Season 2?

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    Plot holes like that are apart of every movie.

    Take The Hangover, for example. Hotel windows don't open, so inorder to throw out a mattress, it would have to have came from the roof..... The workers don't know to go look up there? What if there was a dead body, or maybe, someone stuck up there?

    Also, the guys get their tuxs delievered as they drive down the freeway, but yet they pull over to change?

    Every movie is going to have holes, and unexplainable things. That's why they're movies.

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    Plot holes like that are apart of every movie.

    Take The Hangover, for example. Hotel windows don't open, so inorder to throw out a mattress, it would have to have came from the roof..... The workers don't know to go look up there? What if there was a dead body, or maybe, someone stuck up there?
    I understand your general point, but didn't some of those rooms have balconies?

    Also, the guys get their tuxs delievered as they drive down the freeway, but yet they pull over to change?
    Getting into a tux in a car would be a great trick.

    Every movie is going to have holes, and unexplainable things. That's why they're movies.
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    Regarding the assassination attempt, Bruce didn't have his Batman gear with him. So it wasn't like he could quickly swoop in on his wings; he had to take the stairs, and he was at least a few flights up.

    Factor in that this all happens in less than a minute (once shots fire), Bruce would risk blowing his cover if he's seen as himself chasing after the Joker, his only option was to literally chase him on foot, and even if he did want to do it that way and take the risk, the Joker was not in makeup, he was wearing the same outfit as several legitimate officers were wearing, and he'd be lost in a sea of people who are running around in a panic.

    The more serious issue is the 'why didn't he just go back up after the Joker' scene after he dives after Rachel. Presumably, the Joker headed straight back to the elevator as soon as Batman ran after Rachel, and I think that might get him out the front door before Batman can get his *** up off the taxi he landed on, and get Rachel gently down, but you'd think he'd still have time to pursue in that case. The best excuse I can think of is he didn't have his pod or car near by, but the Joker probably had transportation. So if we think Joker makes it down to the lobby by the time Batman and Rachel are getting down from the car they smashed into, it's a matter of whether the Joker and crew can get in the van (or whatever) and peel out before Batman gets over there.

    It's a stretch, but not an enormous one.

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    With the bomb at the police station, I figured that it didn't necessarily kill anyone who wasn't leaning over the fat guy, and the rest were just (understandably) stunned by not only the explosion, but not having a clue that it was about to happen. The Joker was expecting it, wasn't right on top of the fat guy, and was at least able to brace himself because he knew what was about to happen. Again, a stretch, but not enormous. I never assumed all of the police in the area died; just the ones very close to the fat guy.

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    Honestly, to me, the biggest "yeah, right" in the entire movie is Two-Face. He's the biggest "this isn't real" factor in either movie to me when it comes to his looks and how he just goes out into the world with that kind of damage. You'd think he'd get a nasty, nasty infection and die within days looking like that. And you'd think his speech would be impaired, but they left his voice the same. It doesn't bother me much, but it does kind of sully the "this is real" feeling.

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    His transformation into a bad guy was pretty inexplicable, too.

    AND they already made a huge point that dropping a person from a particular height likely won't kill them, and then harvey drops from a similar height and everyone just assumes he's dead? That movie was a discombobulated mess.

    But it was still fun to watch for the fun parts.
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    What? That was significantly higher than where he dropped the mob boss from.

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    Plus he fell in a different, way flat on his back and head. Mob boss broke his legs landing on his legs.

    That doesn't bother me at all.

    I think we still have to remember particularly regarding the Two-Face disfigurement and personality change, that this is, still, at it's core, a super hero movie. Yes they try to ground it in realism as much as they can, but you must suspend some disbelief. You can't walk into it expecting to see a crime drama.

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    I saw the movie in the theater twice with two groups of people. Every single person in those two groups didn't believe that he was really dead.

    Every person.

    It wasn't just the mob boss leg break scene, the nobody dies from falling theme continued through the ENTIRE movie.

    That's bad filmmaking.
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    Getting into a tux in a car would be a great trick.
    Not to take away from the discussion at hand, but I did once change into my dress Blue's in an airplane bathroom on my way home for leave, and I'm still not sure how I pulled that off.

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    I saw the movie in the theater twice with two groups of people. Every single person in those two groups didn't believe that he was really dead.

    Every person.

    It wasn't just the mob boss leg break scene, the nobody dies from falling theme continued through the ENTIRE movie.

    That's bad filmmaking.
    I just don't understand that.

    It's not like there's a set height in the real world that is the minimum for falling and dying. Someone could fall 5 feet straight onto their head and die.

    That seems like an odd thing to be bothered by.

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    I'm pretty forgiving re plot holes when we're talking about a comic book movie.

    The movies aren't perfect--I wish Nolan just hadn't bothered with Two-Face--but they're by fat the greatest live-action incarnations of Batman yet (that I know of anyway), and that alone makes them awesome for me. Add in the fact that I think he has nailed the "spirit" of Batman w/ this series. . . probably two of my favorite Hollywood-type movies ever.
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    I just don't understand that.

    It's not like there's a set height in the real world that is the minimum for falling and dying. Someone could fall 5 feet straight onto their head and die.

    That seems like an odd thing to be bothered by.
    You're missing my point entirely. The movie set up the audience to doubt that falling would result in mortal danger. The movie even includes dialog about it. It's really important to Nolan that everyone in the audience is completely on track with the whole falling thing.

    Then two face falls and everyone just stands around and says "looks like he's dead". Nobody even checks for a pulse. You don't spend an entire movie proving to the audience that falling isn't a big deal AND that twoface is REALLY hard to kill and then just have him slip from a comparatively moderate distance like that. Movie. Over.

    You're telling me you took Harvey's death at face value? You weren't looking to see if he was still breathing? You weren't expecting him to have a couple of last words or jump up for one last effort to do our heroes harm?

    That's what a good deal of the audience was doing, believe me.
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    I can think of at least 4 instances where falling from heights did not result in death. Mostly it was because Batman did something to save them, but sometimes it was just batman jumping from impossible distances, like when he crushed scarecrow's van.

    And yes, I agree with soup that these were some of the greatest comic book movies ever made. I'm not denying that.
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    This thread inspired an adventure to the ol' PD archives to dig for the original Dark Knight thread. Interesting to look back now. Didn't want to bump it because LA loses his **** when that happens. So: http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthread.php?t=40334

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    I love superhero movies.
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    No, I understand what you're saying LA. I think the death was supposed to be ambiguous.

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    I don't deny people thought he might still be alive, but I just don't agree that it was a big problem because I thought it was obviously from higher up than the mob boss's fall, and the two involving Batman earlier can be slowed by the use of his cape.

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    I'm sure it will be a good movie. I've enjoyed the first two and am looking forward to seeing how this one goes. I do hope they keep from bogging them down with too many characters. That was the undoing of the previous series, in my opinion.

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    I didn't really care for "Batman Begins" too much. I thought "The Dark Knight" was very good...but I still like Tim Burton's Batman movies more.

    The Joel Shumacher ones where some of the worst movies ever made, IMO.

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