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  • #16
    Re: Randolph or West?

    Originally posted by spreedom View Post
    West. Zach is clearly a better player, but he'll be A.) more expensive and B.) a higher potential of being a headache. Not a Z-Bo fan whatsoever.
    not sure i'd go as far as saying zach is "clearly" the better player. how exactly have you come to that conclusion?

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    • #17
      Re: Randolph or West?

      Let me say this and then I am done here; Some of you are setting your standards way too high. I can completely understand passing on Kris Humphries, Anthony Randolph, etc., but you do not pass on someone who is:

      1.) A top player in the NBA
      2.) Would become our best player
      3.) Fits like a glove

      Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, and Amare Stoudemire are not walking through that door. We have to make fit with what we have and what we can make. We chose not to tank for the past three-four years (and had we tanked like that, there would be no "Indiana Pacers"), so we are banking on Paul George being a diamond in the rough and we are banking on our draft picks being solid as well as having cap space.

      If Danny Granger and Roy Hibbert aren't getting the job done, we don't worry about whether or not David West fits with them. David West would become the best players, and we build about him, Collison, and George. Right now the only players that I wouldn't want to trade are Darren Collison and Paul George.. Everyone else is pretty expendable (assuming that Roy never gets better). Tyler, AJ, Josh, Rush, and all of them are easily replaceable and Danny and Roy could be had for some very solid pieces and they aren't big pieces of our future (Roy is a "sell high" situation, and Granger isn't the man and he's getting older while not improving).

      People that say "pass" on guys like David West and Kevin Martin are mistaking themselves if they think that a guy like Kevin Love is going to come along.

      Right now our core pieces are Danny, Roy, Collison, and George. Collison and George are going to be All-Star level players, and they are producing for their age and lack of support from the coaching staff. Collison and George aren't going to win us anything by themselves in their prime. If we can get a good prospect center for Hibbert, and a young rising star for Granger as well as getting more solid picks and free agents, than we can get there.

      But you can't pass on guys like David West, Nene, and Kevin Martin when they are knocking at your door.
      We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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      • #18
        Re: Randolph or West?

        Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
        4 who lol
        Just cause we will have cap money doesn't mean we have to spend it on players that will not help us much. Putting us right back into the same situation we are in now, having to many overpaid mediocre older players.

        A player/players/trade will come along, having extra money in our pocket will not burn a hole in it and if we don't spend it doesn't go away. Cap flexibility is something we should try to maintain.
        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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        • #19
          Re: Randolph or West?

          Originally posted by Hoop View Post
          Just cause we will have cap money doesn't mean we have to spend it on players that will not help us much. Putting us right back into the same situation we are in now, having to many overpaid mediocre older players.

          A player/players/trade will come along, having extra money in our pocket will not burn a hole in it and if we don't spend it doesn't go away. Cap flexibility is something we should try to maintain.
          We wont have cap flexablity once we have to resign DC and other we should get a solid PF. via trade or FA before our cap goes to re up all our own guys. Both these guys would make our team better BTW.

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          • #20
            Re: Randolph or West?

            I'd say David West. I'm a fan of both him and Zach Randolph, but I'm afraid that it will be just our luck if we'd get Randolph next year and then he'll be in decline-mode and then since he'd be back around all his "cronies" that he'd get involved in more stuff that he should stay away from if you no what I mean. David West is a solid player, though...he doesn't rebound like Zach, especially with tip-ins and such, but West is the safer route. And man can David West nail those mid-range jumpers...it's ridiculous how good he is at that. It doens't hurt that West is younger as well.

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            • #21
              Re: Randolph or West?

              Originally posted by Hoop View Post
              Just cause we will have cap money doesn't mean we have to spend it on players that will not help us much. Putting us right back into the same situation we are in now, having to many overpaid mediocre older players.



              A player/players/trade will come along, having extra money in our pocket will not burn a hole in it and if we don't spend it doesn't go away. Cap flexibility is something we should try to maintain.

              That flexibility will be long gone in a couple of years. We'll have to re-sign Collison, Roy, George etc..

              Then we'll be stuck at 45 wins forever. We are in a tough position; it's not stacked against us, but we don't have that much time.

              Collison/AJ
              George/Rush
              Granger/Rush
              Hansbrough/Josh
              Hibbert/Josh

              Is never going to win us a lot of games in their prime (well, unless if George becomes what I think he can be).


              DISCLAIMER: The following is wishful thinking. This likely won't happen. We'll likely be stuck with Roy and Granger for a long time.


              We need a solid starting five as well as a very good bench within the next couple of years. If Hibbert doesn't get any better within the next couple of months move him for a solid center prospect like JaVale McGee (and use whatever else neccessary like give them a second round pick or whatever), sign West (a fringe All-Star), and trade Granger for a good starter and a young guy with star potential (like George).

              I saw something a couple weeks ago like Wes Matthews and Batum for Granger so I'll use that for example. Batum can become a Pippen-lite (i've seen that thrown around a lot), and Wes Matthews is similar to a poor man's- shorter- Ron Artest in his prime. McGee can become a much better center than Roy can be considering youth and potential AND RECENT PLAY (Roy, this goes out to you: )



              In the future

              Collison/AJ (or a draft pick)
              George/Wes
              Batum/Rush/Wes
              West/Hansbrough
              McGee/Josh (or a draft pick)

              sounds a lot better than Collison/George/Granger/Hansbrough/Hibbert. This younger and higher potential team can be a homerun, or it can be what it would be like with Danny and others.

              Of course this is somewhat far-fetched so I won't go any farther.
              We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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              • #22
                Re: Randolph or West?

                Originally posted by greenway84
                look what okc has done. they look for teams looking to cut salary and in return receive picks and young guys for giving other teams cap relief. we should be patient and do the same
                We should have started that **** 5 yrs ago.

                We dont have a Ray Allen to trade for a top 5 draft pick.


                And we dont suck bad enoght to get a top 5 pick for 3 plus yrs .so it is kind of hard to follow OKC's modle

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                • #23
                  Re: Randolph or West?

                  Originally posted by hoops_guy View Post
                  That flexibility will be long gone in a couple of years. We'll have to re-sign Collison, Roy, George etc..

                  Then we'll be stuck at 45 wins forever. We are in a tough position; it's not stacked against us, but we don't have that much time.
                  Collison/AJ
                  George/Rush
                  Granger/Rush
                  Hansbrough/Josh
                  Hibbert/Josh

                  Is never going to win us a lot of games in their prime (well, unless if George becomes what I think he can be).


                  DISCLAIMER: The following is wishful thinking. This likely won't happen. We'll likely be stuck with Roy and Granger for a long time.


                  We need a solid starting five as well as a very good bench within the next couple of years. If Hibbert doesn't get any better within the next couple of months move him for a solid center prospect like JaVale McGee (and use whatever else neccessary like give them a second round pick or whatever), sign West (a fringe All-Star), and trade Granger for a good starter and a young guy with star potential (like George).

                  I saw something a couple weeks ago like Wes Matthews and Batum for Granger so I'll use that for example. Batum can become a Pippen-lite (i've seen that thrown around a lot), and Wes Matthews is similar to a poor man's- shorter- Ron Artest in his prime. McGee can become a much better center than Roy can be considering youth and potential AND RECENT PLAY (Roy, this goes out to you: )



                  In the future

                  Collison/AJ (or a draft pick)
                  George/Wes
                  Batum/Rush/Wes
                  West/Hansbrough
                  McGee/Josh (or a draft pick)

                  sounds a lot better than Collison/George/Granger/Hansbrough/Hibbert. This younger and higher potential team can be a homerun, or it can be what it would be like with Danny and others.

                  Of course this is somewhat far-fetched so I won't go any farther.
                  the bolded part is 100% correct

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                  • #24
                    Re: Randolph or West?

                    Originally posted by greenway84
                    neither, i would rather save our salary
                    For someone better than David West??

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                    • #25
                      Re: Randolph or West?

                      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                      We dont have a Ray Allen to trade for a top 5 draft pick.

                      Danny Granger.
                      We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Randolph or West?

                        Originally posted by greenway84
                        What has David West done lately thats so impressive?
                        6 years of All-Star level play and a picture perfect PnR guy (will do to teams what Carlos Boozer did to us last night).
                        We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Randolph or West?

                          Originally posted by hoops_guy View Post
                          6 years of All-Star level play and a picture perfect PnR guy (will do to teams what Carlos Boozer did to us last night).
                          yes i guess some people dont follow other players close. But David West get's overlooked a lot he is really underrated.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Randolph or West?

                            David West. and it's not even a little bit close

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                            • #29
                              Re: Randolph or West?

                              Originally posted by greenway84
                              Ray Allen = Granger
                              would the Cavs give us 2 first rd picks for their TPE?? I dont think so they are rebuliding


                              if they would then lets trade granger on draft night and start rebuliding the right way.

                              But the reason they got a top 5 pick for him was only because. The C's had two of the big 3 in place and needed the 3rd. I doubt they would have got a top 5 pick for Ray Allen if that team was rebulding so they were fournate that the Celtics needed a 3rd star to go with KG and Pierce.
                              Last edited by pacer4ever; 01-15-2011, 09:56 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Randolph or West?

                                Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                                not sure i'd go as far as saying zach is "clearly" the better player. how exactly have you come to that conclusion?
                                Higher scoring average, almost twice as many rebounds (worth noting that West is slightly better in most other areas). The fact that he's such a better rebounder does it for me. West has the best PG in the league setting him up, while Randolph has Mike Conley.

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