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Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

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  • Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

    I hope I dont jinx anything, but the last 6 games Collison has been fantastic.

    PPG- 17
    Ast- 6.5
    Reb- 3.3
    Stl- 1.6
    TO's - 1.8
    FG%- 48%


    That's all star numbers. Possibly Eastern Conference Player of the Month canidate if he can keep it up.

    I love it. This guy has a look to him. He looks like he could be a great leader. And the ability is starting to show. He's starting to get it. And maybe JOB is starting to get it too. He's playing the crucial minutes in the 4th quarter.

    If he plays like this the rest of the season, Indiana might be able to fight there way into a 5th seed. And if he can manage to outplay Derrick Rose tonight, maybe the Pacers can get back into this Central division race.

    Darren Collison's play of late is giving me some serious hope.

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    Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

    Thats not anywhere close to All-Star level stats, much less Eastern Conference Player of the Month stats.

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      Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

      Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
      Thats not anywhere close to All-Star level stats, much less Eastern Conference Player of the Month stats.

      Agreed.




      Still think he's done a helluva job though. Hope he continues that tonight!

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        Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

        Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
        Thats not anywhere close to All-Star level stats, much less Eastern Conference Player of the Month stats.
        Raymond Felton is considered a potential all star and he averages 18.3ppg, 8.9 assist, 3.9 reb, 1.8 stl, 3.3 TO's and 44%FG.

        Again, i'm just talking about the last 6 games. I'm not saying Collison is going to make the all star team. I'm just trying to say, he's been playing at all star level the last 6 games and i hope he keeps this up. I think he can.

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        • #5
          Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

          People still remember Darren's 20-10 stretch during his rookie year. So they are going to be underwhelmed by 17-6, no way around it. It's nice that he has decent stats lately and doesn't turn the ball over much, but most of us expected him to be part of our 'big three', not a new Jose Calderon.
          Maybe next year, if we have a new system and some great pnr/pnp players, there will be more enthusiasm

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          • #6
            Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

            To me, he is a bizarro TJ Ford. Darren hardly makes bad decisions and his turnovers are usually stupid things like dribbling off his knee or losing control of the ball. He's great with the ball in his hands and I wish JOB would let him play like that more often.

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            • #7
              Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

              Yeah...maybe not AS #s, but I hope he keeps it up whatever the case.
              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

              -Emiliano Zapata

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              • #8
                Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

                Let's put it this way, those are pretty damn good numbers for a point guard in his second year in the NBA drafted in the latter half of the first round who is playing in an offense that is downright insane for PGs to succeed in.


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                • #9
                  Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

                  There are some interesting quotes here


                  http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...ts-into-groove


                  By Mike Wells
                  Pacers' Collison gets into a groove
                  O'Brien changes offense to take advantage of point guard's strength

                  Jan 14, 2011

                  Indiana Pacers point guard Darren Collison spent the first part of this season learning how to be the driving force in a playing style that was foreign to him.

                  His instructor, coach Jim O'Brien, constantly harped on Collison, trying to get his message across. And now?

                  "Coach has put the keys in my hands and let me go," Collison said. "And now I'm playing my game more."

                  O'Brien finally gave in and slightly tinkered with his style to suit Collison's game.

                  The Pacers, winners of two straight going into tonight's game against the Chicago Bulls at Conseco Fieldhouse, are running more pick-and-rolls for Collison.

                  In return, Collison is starting to play the type of basketball the Pacers expected when they acquired him in a trade last August.

                  The second-year point guard has totaled 38 points, 17 assists, six steals and three turnovers and has shot 58 percent in two games this week.

                  The numbers came against Philadelphia's Jrue Holiday, Collison's former UCLA teammate, and Dallas' Jason Kidd, one of the NBA's all-time best point guards.

                  "Not turning the ball over is a direct result of playing a small lineup," O'Brien said.

                  "I think when you play a big lineup (the defense collapses). All your passes are in traffic. I think he's shooting with great confidence. He knows he has the green light."

                  Collison made no secret that he was having difficulty with O'Brien's passing-game offense. It requires the point guard to pass the ball early in the possession.

                  Collison was accustomed to having the ball in his hands and running a pick-and-roll offense. That's the style he played in college and with New Orleans last season.

                  It allowed him several options. He can turn the corner and go in for a layup, pull up for a jump shot, pass to the screener rolling to the basket or pass to one of his teammates on the perimeter.

                  "Pick-and-rolls have always been my game," Collison said.

                  "I'm a one-on-one player only for so long. When we run pick-and-rolls, I get everybody involved, myself, too. The more pick-and-rolls we got, the better off we're going to be, I think."

                  The Pacers have been able to use more pick-and-rolls with Tyler Hansbrough moving into the starting lineup.

                  Unlike Josh McRoberts or Jeff Foster, Hansbrough can consistently hit 15-foot jump shots.

                  "That's something we've been working on," Hansbrough said. "It's something I've developed since I've been here. Darren is so good at coming off the pick. He takes on the 'big' and it's tough for them to recover back to me. This can be a dangerous part of our offense."

                  Collison finds himself with even better lanes to the basket when O'Brien goes to a smaller lineup with Danny Granger playing power forward. That gives the Pacers three shooters on the perimeter along with Roy Hibbert at center.

                  "In both Danny's case and Darren's case, when you have 3-point shooters around all of them, then I think their productivity is going to increase," O'Brien said.

                  "In the period of time we've been running the small lineup, we've gotten very, very fine productivity out of that lineup."

                  Call Star reporter Mike Wells at (317) 444-6053.

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                    Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

                    People have been trying to say playing the young guys is the main reason why the Pacers are playing better the past 3 games. The real reason is what you really saw in the
                    past 2 and that is a complete(almost) change in how the offense is run. Turning Collison
                    loose is why the Pacers are better. The motion offense tends toward more turnovers which lead to easy buckets for the opposing team. With the ball in Collison's hands they will have
                    much less turnovers and thus less points for the opponents and more for the Pacers.
                    Turnovers have been a huge problem. Collison running the show more is the answer to a lot of the Pacers ills.
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                    "Coach has put the keys in my hands and let me go," Collison said. "And now I'm playing my game more."

                    O'Brien finally gave in and slightly tinkered with his style to suit Collison's game.

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                    Even coach O'Stubborn can be taught.
                    {o,o}
                    |)__)
                    -"-"-

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                    • #11
                      Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

                      If JOB finally has his mind right regarding point guard play, I say it's time to bring back Jamaal!

                      Who's with me!?!!!?!!!?!?!!!!!
                      PSN: MRat731 XBL: MRat0731

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                        Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

                        Originally posted by MagicRat View Post
                        If JOB finally has his mind right regarding point guard play, I say it's time to bring back Jamaal!

                        Who's with me!?!!!?!!!?!?!!!!!
                        BillS

                        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

                          Keep up the good, aggressive style of play Darren! Love it.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

                            That article is the most encouraging thing I've read all season. Jim has given us some major coach speak regarding Collison and the P-n-R plays in the past. I don't think he really believed in playing that way, though.

                            The fact that Collison feels comfortable talking about running the PNR more and it being a more effective style of play for the team leads me to believe this time that O'Brien has changed his offense and isn't just blowing smoke. That's great news for the Pacers. Darren really has the ability to break down the defense and Danny's assists have really gone up the last few games as a result of this change too.

                            I'm looking forward to seeing what Darren can do against DRose who is a killer on offense but can be exploited on the defensive end.

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                              Re: Darren Collison has been outstanding the last 6 games

                              Or maybe it means that the other players who would need to be involved in more PnR are getting more comfortable with it so Jim feels better about letting it happen more on the floor? After all, we were already running more PnR than we were in the past, and we've commented how badly suited some of our other players are to PnR play.
                              BillS

                              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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