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    I think this is almost worthless to keep track of. It gives Jeff way, way too much credit in either direction.
    When Foster plays we are now 4-16.

    When Foster doesn't play we are 12-9.


    You can say that gives Foster too much credit, but when you are a team with an average to below average level of talent, you have to maximize the talent that you do have. Our margin for error is very small.

    Unfortunately we do not have a coach capable of maximizing that talent. Nor do we have a member of the front office willing to hold that coach accountable.

    Both factors perpetuate this vicious cycle of mediocrity that we are stuck in, and will be stuck in until a change is made at the top.

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    When Foster plays we are now 4-16.

    When Foster doesn't play we are 12-9.
    I'll be honest and say I have no idea what that actually means.

    When Hansbrough played 20+ minutes in November, the team was 5-0.

    But since then, when Hansbrough plays 20+ minutes, the team is 1-6.

    So do we play Hansbrough or not?

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    When Foster plays we are now 4-16.

    When Foster doesn't play we are 12-9.


    You can say that gives Foster too much credit, but when you are a team with an average to below average level of talent, you have to maximize the talent that you do have. Our margin for error is very small.

    Unfortunately we do not have a coach capable of maximizing that talent. Nor do we have a member of the front office willing to hold that coach accountable.

    Both factors perpetuate this vicious cycle of mediocrity that we are stuck in, and will be stuck in until a change is made at the top.
    You also have to consider that the reason why Foster is playing so many minutes is because Hibbert has been sucking it up out there.

    I do not agree with the notion that Hibbert should be pulled ( assuming that he doesn't have any foul trouble ) because he is struggling....but I do not think that it is a coincidence that Foster's increase in minutes co-incides with Hibbert's decline at the beginning of December.

    Outside of the obvious notion that Foster is JO'Bs security Blanket at the Center spot....as long as Hibbert is not in foul trouble...he should be playing as many minutes to help boost his confidence but also allow him to learn from his experiences EVEN if he is getting owned by the Player he is defending. He has to learn one way or another.
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    I'll be honest and say I have no idea what that actually means.

    When Hansbrough played 20+ minutes in November, the team was 5-0.

    But since then, when Hansbrough plays 20+ minutes, the team is 1-6.

    So do we play Hansbrough or not?
    In the same role he had in November, coming off the bench behind McRoberts? Definitely.

    JOB tried to fix something that wasn't broken and shattered it beyond repair.

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    I'll be honest and say I have no idea what that actually means.

    When Hansbrough played 20+ minutes in November, the team was 5-0.

    But since then, when Hansbrough plays 20+ minutes, the team is 1-6.

    So do we play Hansbrough or not?
    The difference is in November McRoberts was also average 20+ minutes. The only way this team is going to win with this roster is to have a 1-2 punch at PF with Josh and Tyler. I'm willing to bet you would see Hibbert performing better if that happened too.

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    The offense just flows better when Josh is on the floor. He is a good passer. That is so easy to see. If he would just get in the mind set to play better defense I would easily take Josh over Tyler and Jeff. But to get zero minutes on this team is just stupid. First thing I noticed this year was Josh's improved play.

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    When Foster plays we are now 4-17.

    When Foster doesn't play we are 12-9.


    The Pacers are 5-15 since Josh's minutes started being reduced.

    They were 11-11 before that.

    They started off December losing 3 of 5, and O'Brien panicked. It's been all down hill since then.

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    When Foster plays we are now 4-16.

    When Foster doesn't play we are 12-9.

    That stat means nothing in regards to Foster. Might say something about the team. But if you watched the magic game the pacers needed Foster on the floor for 48 minutes he was probably our most effective player

    Mackey - those stats mean nothing. Granger averages more minutes in losses. Lebron James averages more minutes in losses, so does Dwight Howard. You are taking a very narrow view of things

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    That stat means nothing in regards to Foster. Might say something about the team. But if you watched the magic game the pacers needed Foster on the floor for 48 minutes he was probably our most effective player
    I was at the Magic game. He wasn't even the most effective center.

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    Mackey - those stats mean nothing. Granger averages more minutes in losses. Lebron James averages more minutes in losses, so does Dwight Howard. You are taking a very narrow view of things
    Have you noticed that Granger is one of the main problems, if not the biggest? He deserves a lot more of the blame for the losses than he gets around here.

    He needs to be getting less minutes, especially when he is playing terribly has he has been for most of the past two months. This also is an indictment on O'Brien. He is quick to bash Roy for playing poorly, yet nary a word about how bad Granger has been.

    Granger sets the tone defensively, which basically has meant that defense is non-existent. He sets the tone offensively, which basically has meant the team is going to chuck up as many bad shots as they can get their hands on.

    Why is he immune to the JOB scrutiny?

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    I was at the Magic game. He wasn't even the most effective center.
    he most certainly was the pacers most effective center. he was the most effective power forward also. How many times did he strip Howard and how many offensive fouls did he get on Howard and how come Howard said right after the game that Foster is a good defender.

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    he most certainly was the pacers most effective center. he was the most effective power forward also. How many times did he strip Howard and how many offensive fouls did he get on Howard and how come Howard said right after the game that Foster is a good defender.
    He's the unwanted step-child around here, but Solomon Jones did just as good of a job on Howard as Foster did.

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