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    Default Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    they both have had success in previous jobs, but have done nothing but lose tons of games since they have been in coaching in Indiana.

    My vote goes to Crean.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    Jim O'Brien.
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    It isn't the coaches, maybe it is Indiana

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    Crean. Make it a poll.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    Or how about take this to the Lockerroom portion of the site?

    Tom Crean has nothing to do with the Pacers, nor the NBA.

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    Or how about take this to the Lockerroom portion of the site?

    Tom Crean has nothing to do with the Pacers, nor the NBA.
    Jim O'Brien does. Ignore the thread.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

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    Jim O'Brien does. Ignore the thread.

    Well in that case....

    Who has better hair, Jim or Frankenstein?
    Who has worse ideas, Jim or (insert the politician you disagree with most)?

    There are other subforums dedicated to those subjects. They should stay there.

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    Well in that case....

    Who has better hair, Jim or Frankenstein?
    Who has worse ideas, Jim or (insert the politician you disagree with most)?

    There are other subforums dedicated to those subjects. They should stay there.
    By that logic we have mods to police the forums. Let them handle it.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    This thread being here is offensive, an absolute outrage.
    *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    I was wondering how bad things might be in the IU thread, but couldn't bring myself to look. Now I know.

    You know, if Tom's that bad, you guys could always hire Jimmy. Larry would let him out of his contract, wouldn't he?

    [edit] And then the Pacers should hire Crean. Grace would probaby get season tickets again, if only for the rare chance to see his brothers-in-law at the game.
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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

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    By that logic we have mods to police the forums. Let them handle it.
    This. There's a "report post" button for a reason.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    For now, I'm willing to cut Crean a little slack until he has all "his guys" on the roster. But the patience is starting to wear thin after losses like last night.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    O'Brien because at least Crean is trying and he actually compliments his players and tries to bring out the best in them even when they're losing--he coaches with a lot of encouragement and passion. JOB on the other hand is the complete opposite + sucks at anything to do with coaching.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

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    This. There's a "report post" button for a reason.
    I will never use that function. Just like the ignore feature.

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    [edit] And then the Pacers should hire Crean. Grace would probaby get season tickets again, if only for the rare chance to see his brothers-in-law at the game.
    Only if he hired TR Dunn as an assistant.

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    Well in that case....

    Who has better hair, Jim or Frankenstein?
    Who has worse ideas, Jim or (insert the politician you disagree with most)?

    There are other subforums dedicated to those subjects. They should stay there.
    Thanks, mod.

    Oh, and Jim's hair is better than Frankenstein's flat top.
    I don't give a rat's left tit about politics, so I can't answer the second question. But for argument's sake, probably Jim.

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    For now, I'm willing to cut Crean a little slack until he has all "his guys" on the roster. But the patience is starting to wear thin after losses like last night.
    If this spirals out of control, by all means move it to the other forum, but who on this team isn't his guy? He recruited all these guys. The only senior is Rivers, but Crean was at the helm when Jeremiah decided to transfer here.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    The offenses they run look similar. Heavy on dribbling the ball around the perimeter with frequent dribble hand offs/high post screens. Neither displays sufficient ball or off-ball player movement with fundamental scrrening. The ball primarily swings via the dribble, if it even moves beyond one area on a give possession.
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    I was wondering how bad things might be in the IU thread, but couldn't bring myself to look. Now I know.

    You know, if Tom's that bad, you guys could always hire Jimmy. Larry would let him out of his contract, wouldn't he?

    [edit] And then the Pacers should hire Crean. Grace would probaby get season tickets again, if only for the rare chance to see his brothers-in-law at the game.
    I actually think Jim would be a pretty decent college coach. He basically runs Pitino's system, which has been proven successful in college. He could probably recruit pretty well due to his having been an NBA coach for so long. Obviously, if Crean gets a pass for his hockey-esque line changes with his rotation, then the fanbase would be willing to forgive Obie's baffling decisions on that front.

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    If this spirals out of control, by all means move it to the other forum, but who on this team isn't his guy? He recruited all these guys. The only senior is Rivers, but Crean was at the helm when Jeremiah decided to transfer here.
    The first couple years of recruits for a new coach aren't typically high-caliber (unless you're a cheater, like Ralph Sampson).

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    O'Brien hands down!

    I don't get all the flack Crean gets. He came to IU and there was nobody... NOBODY left over.

    You can try to dog his recruiting, but seriously who wants to come to a gutted program? I don't care if it's IU and there tradition, no one wants to come and waste a year or 2 trying to rebuild the program.

    The only hope is what us IU fans have to look forward to in the next 2-3 years, which is that a group of top high school players decide to come as a group to IU. Once Zeller and the gang get together, than I'll judge Crean b/c IU is not a talented team right now. The fact that they even compete the way they do is a positive to me.

    O'Brien has talent. Other teams and coaches believe so, and they've actually beat really good teams to prove so.

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    The first couple years of recruits for a new coach aren't typically high-caliber (unless you're a cheater, like Ralph Sampson).
    especially when a team is completely blown up and you can't sell good recruits on anything but playing time and playing for a program with a rich history.

    I'd lose count keeping track of all the high level recruits that chose to go elsewhere over IU the past couple years because we didn't have enough talent to compete in their eyes.

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    Default Re: Who is the worse coach, JOB or Crean?

    Hopefully Crean.

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    Crean's x's and o's suck but the clown's x's and o's suck to go along with a ****ty attitude, a pathetic philosophy and system of belief when it comes to basketball, he's biased, and he doesn't accept rebuilding.

    Crean would back up his players when their backs are against the wall. With Jim, unless if it is Mike Dunleavy, James Posey, Jeff Foster, or Danny Granger, he could criticize you until you feel smaller than an ant. That takes pathetic to a whole new level.
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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    I'd argue that Crean took over more of a trainwreck than O'Brien did, as hard as that may be to believe.
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