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    Let me start off by saying that I don't hate Granger; He's been one of my favorites for the longest time. But it's time to get some good pieces out of him before it's too late. He still has rep of an elite scorer. I don't think any of these offers are ludicrous in our favor, but they might be becuase I'm selling high on Granger.

    The problem with him is that he is one-dimensional, doesn't like to play defense, takes bad shots, he's lacks smoothness and ability to get seperation which will kill him in the Playoffs, and he is put in a bad position with us. He is a very good 2nd, 3rd scorer and impatient teams would be happy to acquire him as well as teams trying to get over the hump. How are these deals?

    To IND:
    Derrick Favors (star potential)
    Anthony Morrow (an okay replacement)
    Damion James (somewhat decent prospect)
    Jordan Farmar (very good backup point)
    1st round pick (Lotto protected)

    To NJ:
    Danny Granger

    Okay, we get Derrick Favors who will be the best defensive power forward in the league who is also 19 years old with some touch, we get one of the best backup point guards in the league with championship experience, we get a solid young replacement for Danny for the time being in Anthony Morrow, and we also get a first round pick lottery protected.

    New Jersey gets a big three and they're very impatient. If Melo never goes through they'll bite for one of these second tier guys. Harris, Lopez, and Granger is somewhat decent. Their owner wants to win now and they don't want to wait for Favors to get his groove.

    Trade two

    To IND:
    Nicholas Batum (star potential)
    Wes Mathews (hell of a player and he's young)
    Armon Johnson (very good future backup point)
    Luke Babbitt (he's adequate, I guess. I expected more out of him but his rotation is deep.)
    2nd round pick

    To POR:
    Danny Granger
    Lance Stephenson

    We get two very good prospects in Wes and Batum as well as a very good backup point that Seth really likes. We also get Luke Babbitt who could be a contributor someday.. If not he's a good trading chip. (cut Solo and Foster I guess.)

    If Portland has hopes of getting Roy and Oden healthy again than Dre/Granger/Roy/Lamarcus/Oden is a hell of a lineup. They'd actually use Granger right.

    Trade three:

    To IND:
    Jeff Green
    Serge Ibaka
    Mo Pete (cut)
    BJ Mullens
    Royal Ivey (cut)
    1st round pick

    To OKC:
    Danny Granger
    James Posey
    Josh McRoberts

    For one, we cut HUGE salary. For two, we get Jeff Green, Serge Ibaka, and a first (cut Mo Pete and Royal Ivey for roster spots). Serge Ibaka is going to be a very good player and Jeff Green already is.

    OKC does this because they get another top 25 player in the league and Danny can be a third option where he can really, really excel. This trade puts them over the top and makes them favorites in the west. Slide either Granger or Durant to the two. They add James Posey who is undoubtedly a bad contract but he brings things to the table, and they get an adequate starting forward in Josh. They can use the MLE in the offseason to sign a starting power forward in Kenyon Martin and hopefully for them Cole Aldrich is ready to produce next season. Then they have:

    Westbrook/Maynor
    Granger/Harden
    Durant/Granger/Posey
    Martin/Josh
    Aldrich/Josh

    Sounds pretty good to me. What do you guys think?

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    I like the second trade the most.
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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    Default Re: Ideas for trading Danny for very good pieces

    martin??? that would be collsion starting at the PF 4 OKC

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    Pick Martin up in free agency and have Nick Collison back him up. My bad.

    Have Cole start and Josh play back-up minutes.

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    They couldnt do that till this off season

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    Yes. I know that.

    In the offseason, pick up Martin with the MLE. Then you have Martin and Collison in a power forward rotation.

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    Yes. I know that.

    In the offseason, pick up Martin with the MLE. Then you have Martin and Collison in a power forward rotation.
    Thats good in theroy but Serge is most likely untouchable.

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    I really like the Portland trade but doubt they would give up matthews.

    the only way the nets do this is ifthey dont get Carmelo. I could see this happening if they dont get him because danny is probably the second best SF in trade rumors lately behind melo.

    I also really like the OKC trade. OKC gets a great 3rd option veteran leadership and an athletic PF. Green and george would make a good combination at the 3 while serge is at the 4 and mullens as our backup center.

    But I think these trades could use maybe the Pacers giving up some picks.

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    But I think these trades could use maybe the Pacers giving up some picks.
    Yeah perhaps and I don't have any problems giving up picks since the mid-round is weak as hell.. All there is is Knight (his stock will rise though), Singler and Hamilton.

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    according to the trade machine

    Nets: +2 wins
    Pacers: -2 wins


    Blazers: -4
    Pacers +2

    Thunder: -7
    Pacers: -1

    in wins projected.

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    Second trade is easily the best in terms of value. I'm just not sure Portland would give up both Mathews and Batum as they have supposedly placed the "untouchable" tag on Batum in Carmelo trade discussions.

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    http://forums.realgm.com/boards/view...f=28&t=1082106

    FWIW. They didn't ever mention Wes, but they said that we'd laugh at Batum, Pryz, and Rudy for him when someone offered it and I actually did laugh.

    I can't imagine Portland has the pieces necessary to acquire Granger. Portland won't trade Aldridge and no one else is worth Granger.
    Again, FWIW. But I often trust fan's opinions on a player's value than the trade machine and overall consensus around the league.

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    bjb i thought you were a dg fan?

    i feel bad about saying this but if we were to ever trade our best player we better get the best player we can get and a power forward

    tyler backs him up and josh slides up to backup roy
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    bjb i thought you were a dg fan?

    i feel bad about saying this but if we were to ever trade our best player we better get the best player we can get and a power forward

    tyler backs him up and josh slides up to backup roy
    I have liked Granger and have backed him so long.. I always assumed his inconsistencies were due to youth and injuries, but now his age and lack on intensity is clashing with our youth. I also thought that he was going to continue to play lock-down defense, and yesterdays game he was a disgrace defensively as well as the San Antonio game.

    We have the second youngest starting lineup in the league, and we just need to get younger and more talented. Danny isn't helping us win at all. He's Chuck Person 2.0. I'm not saying that we give him away for crap, but if offers like the following are on the table it will be hard to pass those up just because Danny is "our guy".

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    Monte Ellis for Danny Granger

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    i would trade danny granger for josh smith or an equally talented and good pf as josh smith

    i wouldnt settle on trading danny

    if a team really wants him we need to expect big bucks for our star player
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    the Hawks aren't going to trade josh Smith for a SF they need a true center. They would most likely want Roy Hibbert more.

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    I wouldn't trade Josh Smith for Danny.

    1.) Josh Smith is overpaid
    2.) If we gave him the green light he'd be 5x more frustrating than Danny is. Josh's best role is a scrappy guy that has ability to create a sho, but he's the third option. If he was the 1st option he'd shoot a ridiculous amount of threes, fadeaways, etc. It'd be sickening.
    3.) It doesn't make us better, its just change.

    The only thing that I want Danny for is many and good young pieces, or a star like Kevin Love.

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    Granger and Rush

    for

    Iguodala
    DG for 3

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    Granger and Rush

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    Iguodala

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    the Hawks aren't going to trade josh Smith for a SF they need a true center. They would most likely want Roy Hibbert more.
    At this point, I'd trade Hibbert, Rush & something else for Smith.

    Although, it would be great to trade with the Nets and get Favors & others for Granger and filler. Just that isn't even in the realm of happening. Oh well.
    Lance + Starting SG = Awesome

    Now really free Lance!

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    At this point, I'd trade Hibbert, Rush & something else for Smith.

    Although, it would be great to trade with the Nets and get Favors & others for Granger and filler. Just that isn't even in the realm of happening. Oh well.
    Yeah, trade away our starting center and 6th man AND something else for just Josh Smith. Who are we going to play at center long term? Posey , Solo or Jeff???? What good would Josh Smith do without a starting center. Why are people so quick to trade Roy right now?

    #1: His value is at an all time low anyway.

    #2: He is the best center we have.

    #3: He's only been bad for not even 1/4 of the season yet people are ready to give up on him after watching how hard he worked so far. He's going to work hard this offseason to develop his lower body. He can only transform his body so fast, c'mon.

    #4: He's only 24. On a rookie contract and the hardest worker the Pacers have.

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    Yeah I'd hate to have Josh Smith if he had the green light hear... Especially if we gave up Hibbert.

    Meet Zach Randolph in New York.

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    Yeah, trade away our starting center and 6th man AND something else for just Josh Smith. Who are we going to play at center long term? Posey , Solo or Jeff???? What good would Josh Smith do without a starting center. Why are people so quick to trade Roy right now?

    #1: His value is at an all time low anyway.

    #2: He is the best center we have.

    #3: He's only been bad for not even 1/4 of the season yet people are ready to give up on him after watching how hard he worked so far. He's going to work hard this offseason to develop his lower body. He can only transform his body so fast, c'mon.

    #4: He's only 24. On a rookie contract and the hardest worker the Pacers have.
    Eh, you take things a little too seriously. Lighten up francis.

    I just really like Josh Smith and stated what I would give up to get him. Now, the Hawks would never do that. It's all moot anyhow. Roy's in a rough patch, but I hardly think his value is at an all time low.
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    Now really free Lance!

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    Sooo.. How about that first deal now that the Melo trade fell through like coins in the couch?

    To IND:
    Favors
    1st round pick (probably top 10, but top 3 protected)
    Damion James
    Jordan Farmar
    Anthony Morrow (meh about him now)

    To NJ:
    Danny Granger

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