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  • Pacers/Wizards

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=2begmd9

    Pacers Get- Aundray Blatche, Nick Young

    Wizards Get- Paul George, Tyler, Solo, Dahntay and Lottery Protected 1st

    And Pray That Ernie Grunfeld Says Yes.
    Last edited by LA_Confidential; 12-25-2010, 05:07 PM.

  • #2
    Re: Pacers/Wizards

    I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but
    **** NO!!!!!!!!


    No way we trade two prospects and a first for two craptastic scrubs.
    We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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      Re: Pacers/Wizards

      Originally posted by hoops_guy View Post
      I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but
      **** NO!!!!!!!!


      No way we trade two prospects and a first for two craptastic scrubs.
      Wow. Im Sorry If This Sounds Harsh, But Your Judgement Of Talent Blows.

      Blatche/Young>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tyler/Paul George.

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        Re: Pacers/Wizards

        Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
        Wow. Im Sorry If This Sounds Harsh, But Your Judgement Of Talent Blows.

        Blatche/Young>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tyler/Paul George.
        I'm Sorry If This Sounds Harsh, But Have You Watched Pacers Basketball For The Past Couple Of Years At All? Better Yet, Have You Ever Watched Andray Blatche Play?!

        Look At This:

        http://media.photobucket.com/image/t...urphy.jpg?o=18

        How many games has Troy Murphy cost us?

        Look at this now:
        http://www.wizardsextreme.com/forums...ead.php?t=2379


        There is no one on the entire team I hate more right now than Andray Blatche.

        The dude is a CLOWN. He has less passion for basketball than Kwame Brown. When Michael Wilbon makes a claim, he knows what he's talking about...and every single article he makes reference to how Blatche would rather be at parties than playing the game of basketball.

        How damn obvious is it? The dude is like 7 feet and gets FIVE REBOUNDS A GAME as a starting center. Dominic McGuire and Caron Butler OUTREBOUND HIM as starting TWOS AND THREES.

        He put on like twenty pounds of fat in the offseason. He's completely out of shape and is always the last person coming down the court. Apparently, team staff have forever been trying to get him on a consistent strengthening and weight-training program but he hasn't done ****.

        His weak-*** finger-rolls around the basket drive me nuts. So do his outside jumpers. You're SEVEN FEET TALL AND CAN JUMP OUT OF THE GYM. DUNK THE ****ING BALL!!!

        It seems like the only thing he's improved since he got here is his free throw shooting...which is ***damn great, considering he takes TWO FREE THROWS A GAME and never takes the ball strong enough to draw any contact.

        Why we made Ed Tapscott interim HC is beyond me. The man is Director of Player Development, and our development here has been ATROCIOUS. Blatche is a talented monster who is a fat lazy lard. Pecherov has gone nowhere. Young doesn't seem much different from last year, and was expected to step up on both ends. McGee and Crittenton he doesn't even play.

        Blatche epitomizes what is wrong with this team though. We gave him what, a 5 year, $15 million contract based on nothing but him having loads of potential, and after getting shot, being continuously lamented by his teammates for not going all-out, this is how he rewards us????

        If I was coach, I would tell Andray Blatche he's not playing in a game the rest of the season, and will be suspended indefinitely until he gets himself in suitable shape. That means a) being able to run up and down the floor, b) bulking up and not getting thrown out of the way by every player in the league, and c) developing some mental toughness, enough to learn how to take a charge, DUNK THE ****ING BALL, and not whine and sulk about coming out of games.

        THIS IS YOUR JOB. If I got paid $3 million plus a year to be a basketball player, I would not do anything else. Like Gilbert, I would live in the gym, do absolutely everything I can to get better, and not be satisfied until I win.

        I think some of the guys on our team are like that. Caron and Twan for sure. Songaila is a professional. Andray Blatche seems perfectly fine with being Darius Songaila for his career though, a possible 9th man on a playoff team, when IF THE MAN PUT SOME EFFORT IN, HE COULD BE A DAMN KEVIN GARNETT.

        It's time to get hard on Blatche and kick this loser off the team until he shows some more commitment than Kwame Brown. His conditioning is atrocious; I feel like I'm in better shape than him, and getting 5 rebounds a game in your 4th year as a starting center is just putrid..it reflects a lack of preparation, which leads to failure, as well as a lack of any heart or desire out on the court.

        "IF IT IS TO BE, IT IS UP TO ME." Someone tell Andray Blatche if he ever wants to be worth a **** as a basketball player, he better get his *** to work. And someone teach the man he's not a 6'7 SF...his outside shot will never be consistent enough to keep him in the game there, and as much as he hates it he's a SEVEN-FOOT-CENTER. Bulk up, and learn how to rebound, dunk the ball, and not get pushed around by bigs out there.
        Did you know about this? Kid has all the tools but he won't ever, ever be a part of a good team because he simply sucks. He tries to be a guard, he's soft, he doesn't love basketball, and he doesn't play hard.

        I guarantee that you went on nba.com and looked up his stats and said, "Hmmm, looks good to me." Then you are going to tell me my judgment of talent sucks? Wow.

        I wouldn't take him for free. And Nick Young sucks too. Fans won't admit it since he's till young, but 90% of the time he shoots the Wizards out of games with an occasional decent game. He plays no defense as well.
        Last edited by hoops_guy; 12-25-2010, 06:13 PM.
        We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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          Re: Pacers/Wizards

          Yeah, I remember Blatche throwing a tantrum last year because he wasn't getting to shoot enough.

          He'll never be much of a winner. Kid just doesn't get it.

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          • #6
            Re: Pacers/Wizards

            He also got a $15 million extension last year too.
            We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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            • #7
              Re: Pacers/Wizards

              Originally posted by hoops_guy View Post
              He also got a $15 million extension last year too.
              Did you mean to hit the 3, and hit the 1?

              It was $35 mil.

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              • #8
                Re: Pacers/Wizards

                In that case then this goes out to Washington's front office:



                That should completely kill the mood for any Blatche fans.
                We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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                  Re: Pacers/Wizards

                  Originally posted by hoops_guy View Post
                  I'm Sorry If This Sounds Harsh, But Have You Watched Pacers Basketball For The Past Couple Of Years At All? Better Yet, Have You Ever Watched Andray Blatche Play?!

                  Look At This:

                  http://media.photobucket.com/image/t...urphy.jpg?o=18

                  How many games has Troy Murphy cost us?

                  Look at this now:
                  http://www.wizardsextreme.com/forums...ead.php?t=2379




                  Did you know about this? Kid has all the tools but he won't ever, ever be a part of a good team because he simply sucks. He tries to be a guard, he's soft, he doesn't love basketball, and he doesn't play hard.

                  I guarantee that you went on nba.com and looked up his stats and said, "Hmmm, looks good to me." Then you are going to tell me my judgment of talent sucks? Wow.

                  I wouldn't take him for free. And Nick Young sucks too. Fans won't admit it since he's till young, but 90% of the time he shoots the Wizards out of games with an occasional decent game. He plays no defense as well.
                  You're Very Entertaining.

                  Yes Ive Watched Blatche Play Since He Was Drafted, I Live In DC.
                  You Accuse Me Of Going On NBA.com, But You Used A Fan Rant On Another BLOG Site From 2 Years Ago To Prove Your Point. Really?

                  The Guy Would Be The Second Best Player On Our Team And You Call Him A "Craptastic Srub"?
                  He'd Fill Our Most Pressing Need As Player X. You Know The Power Forward Who Can Also Double As A Center.
                  He Only 24 And He's Already Got A 35Mil Extension From The Wizards, A Deal In Which His Salary Wont Reach 10 Million In Any Season. That's A Good Deal For The Garbage That I Proposed To Send To Washington.

                  He' Does Dog It At Times But That's Because The Wiz Suck Soooooooo Bad.
                  He Honestly Wont Have Any Shot At The Playoffs Any Time Soon So I Dont Blame Him. I Don't Condone It But I Don't Blame Him Either. The Kid Is Nice And He'd Be A Perfect Fit In Our Line Up. Washington Is A Wasteland For Big Men. I Bet You Thought Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace And Chris Webber Were Craptastic Scrubs Too Huh?

                  You Probably Wanna Put Together A Mega Deal For Josh Smith, As If The Hawks Would Ever Trade Him To Us. Or You Wanna Wait To Let Guys Deals Expire And Sign Carl Landry In The Off Season. Either Way We'd Be Overpaying.

                  He's A Good Player On A Good Contract And This Would Be A Good Trade.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pacers/Wizards

                    I'd be extremely hesitant to trade PG and Tyler by themselves.

                    Add that Lottery protected first to the deal, and you'd be out of your mind to make that deal if you were the Pacers.

                    The Wizards would be ripping us off in the same way we did to NJ, Houston, and NO on the Collison deal.
                    Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pacers/Wizards

                      Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                      I'd be extremely hesitant to trade PG and Tyler by themselves.

                      Add that Lottery protected first to the deal, and you'd be out of your mind to make that deal if you were the Pacers.

                      The Wizards would be ripping us off in the same way we did to NJ, Houston, and NO on the Collison deal.
                      What he said.

                      I'd rather take a JJ Hickson than Andray simply because he plays like he isn't the best player in the world. Andray is a scrub. He smells like a scrub. Has all the talent but won't put it together and has a scrub's game. All that goes to Nick Young too.

                      The peeps aren't winning players. I don't understand why you are freaking out about them La_Confidential. They suck. Nick Young has been in the league for what 5 years? He can't hit a shot to save his life.

                      Andray puts up DECENT numbers on a horrific team. Hooray someone call Clark Kellogg and Kevin Martin.
                      We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pacers/Wizards

                        Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
                        You're Very Entertaining.
                        That's really sweet.

                        Yes Ive Watched Blatche Play Since He Was Drafted, I Live In DC.
                        You Accuse Me Of Going On NBA.com, But You Used A Fan Rant On Another BLOG Site From 2 Years Ago To Prove Your Point. Really?
                        Yes because you obviously haven't watched him.

                        The Guy Would Be The Second Best Player On Our Team And You Call Him A "Craptastic Srub"?
                        He'd Fill Our Most Pressing Need As Player X. You Know The Power Forward Who Can Also Double As A Center.
                        He Only 24 And He's Already Got A 35Mil Extension From The Wizards, A Deal In Which His Salary Wont Reach 10 Million In Any Season. That's A Good Deal For The Garbage That I Proposed To Send To Washington.
                        Paul George, Tyler Hansbrough, and a first garbage? At least they aren't hot garbage.

                        He' Does Dog It At Times But That's Because The Wiz Suck Soooooooo Bad.
                        He Honestly Wont Have Any Shot At The Playoffs Any Time Soon So I Dont Blame Him. I Don't Condone It But I Don't Blame Him Either. The Kid Is Nice And He'd Be A Perfect Fit In Our Line Up. Washington Is A Wasteland For Big Men. I Bet You Thought Rasheed Wallace, Ben Wallace And Chris Webber Were Craptastic Scrubs Too Huh?
                        Andray Blatche is hot garbage scrub material. And no. They actually like basketball. They don't think that they are guards.

                        You Probably Wanna Put Together A Mega Deal For Josh Smith, As If The Hawks Would Ever Trade Him To Us. Or You Wanna Wait To Let Guys Deals Expire And Sign Carl Landry In The Off Season. Either Way We'd Be Overpaying.
                        NOPE. Do what Larry has done this summer- be patient. Better offers are out right now; even better ones will arise.

                        He's A Good Player On A Good Contract And This Would Be A Good Trade.
                        Again I disagree. Similar to a Murph contract-lite.
                        I may start a poll in a while.
                        Last edited by hoops_guy; 12-26-2010, 02:45 AM.
                        We need better than solid. No JJ Redicks, Andray Blatche, Mike Dunleavy type guys to have big roles on our team.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pacers/Wizards

                          Hey Guy, You Are The Worst Poster Ever. Calm The F Down. Big Font = Small Mind.

                          As for the trade, I certainly hope we would not consider that. I don't like Blatche enough to trade all of those assets, especially George, T, and the 1st.
                          Last edited by redfoster; 12-25-2010, 11:29 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Pacers/Wizards

                            Good god, this is terrible.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pacers/Wizards

                              i really want blatche but no way would i give up part of our core (tyler and paul) to get him

                              i dont want young nor do we need him with brandon manning the sg
                              In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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