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76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

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  • #16
    Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

    Originally posted by TheDoddage View Post
    The kind of offer you indicated is something I'd be on board for, but anything more than that would be a little too much imo.

    Personally, I'd rather take on Brand along with Iguodala and have to give up less valuable assets as a whole than just deal for Iguodala. That way, all we'd probably have to give up is expiring contracts. With the way Brand has been playing this season, he might even be a good fill-in for us at PF. He'll also be a huge expiring in 2013 which isn't that far away. But I can understand if ownership would be turned off by that.
    Brand and his $51 mil a year contract would severely impact our ability to resign Hibbert and BRush. Even if Hibbert and BRush are RFA....IMHO...the Simons ( unlike any other Teams ) can't afford to pay that much to that many Players when it comes time to resign Hibbert and BRush.

    If the Pacers were willing to take on Iggy AND Brand ( which is highly unlikely given that we'd be near the $55mil mark owed to 7 Players in the 2012-2013 season when we'd have to resign BRush and Hibbert ), I'd want to send back Posey and Inferno while not sending back anything beyond Expiring Contracts. $108 mil in guaranteed $$$ owed to the both of them is not an easy pill to swallow.....add in PG or a Draft pick...and it becomes impalatable.

    On paper, I'd admit that getting Iggy+Brand immediatlely plugs our 2 greater positions of need...but the financial cost is WAY TOO high.
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    • #17
      Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
      Wow...if the Cavs are willing to take back Brand in a 2nd deal where they also gets additional assets, then...yeah....that would trump anything the Pacers could offer. Brand and Iggy COMBINED are owed $106 mil over the next 3 years....a no-go for us.
      I'm expecting Cleveland's owner to make a move with the trade exception, that letter we wrote tells me that he is going to be agressive, getting Iguadola and Brand I think could be one of those moves.

      Here is the trade they could make:

      Cleveland sends 13mil trade exception + Jamison 13mil + picks

      Philly sends Iguadola and Brand
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      • #18
        Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

        Originally posted by Sookie View Post
        We'd have our third all star...
        Sort of. We'd have our fourth (potential) borderline All Star. We'd be modeling our roster very much in the 04 Pistons mold. Five guys who just totally fit together and, though Billups or Rip would have been obvious All Stars on lesser teams, made each other better and worthy of AS selections.

        Collison (assuming he pans out, meaning not this year), Iguodala, Danny, ? (A Josh Smith-like four man), Roy, would be an Eastern Conference contender as long as there isn't a Heat situation with the bench.
        You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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        • #19
          Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

          Cleveland and Toronto have every Miami draft pick till about 2037. Important to remember once that deadline nears.
          You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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          • #20
            Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            I'm expecting Cleveland's owner to make a move with the trade exception, that letter we wrote tells me that he is going to be agressive, getting Iguadola and Brand I think could be one of those moves.

            Here is the trade they could make:

            Cleveland sends 13mil trade exception + Jamison 13mil + picks

            Philly sends Iguadola and Brand
            At most, I'd be willing to only take back Nocioni while sending back PG...I could even go as far as including a future 1st pick ( assuming that we get back a 2nd from the Sixers.

            But if the Cavs are willing to take on Iggy and Brand WHILE sending back Picks and/or prospects...then they win.
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            • #21
              Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

              A lineup of Collison, Iggy, Granger and Hibbert is very intriguing regardless of who you have at PF.

              I don't want Iggy to be benched if he can't hit the 3 though. We know he can defend, is athletic and gets to the foul line. That sounds perfect for a guy next to Granger.

              You would think Dunleavy or Ford would have to be involved, but not sure the Sixers would want much on our team that we're willing to give up?

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              • #22
                Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                I think we can really only take on one more big contract given that we'd re-sign Hibbert, Rush, and Collison to decent sized deals and let Hansbrough go or sign him to a smaller deal. Do we really want Iggy to be that guy? Just sayin'.

                I can't see Iggy going to Cleveland though, presumably he wants to get out of Philly because they're losing.

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                • #23
                  Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                  Why would Cleveland want to take on Iggy AND especially Brand's contracts if they are such a bad team? Are they smoking dope? They need to be clearing space.

                  Philly would walk away from this deal laughing their ***es off while Cleveland is stuck in a rut for the next 3-4 years.

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                  • #24
                    Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                    iggy and granger would compliment each other VERY well imo. even collison would greatly benefit alongside iggy with iggy's ability to drive and dish. collison and granger would be set up for many wide open 3's. they would make for a lethal offensive lineup and while improve our perimeter defense in the process. if we managed to acquire iggy, a starting lineup next year of collison, iggy, granger, west/gasol/chandler, hibbert with a new coach could really set us up for some deep playoff runs.

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                    • #25
                      Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                      Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                      A lineup of Collison, Iggy, Granger and Hibbert is very intriguing regardless of who you have at PF.

                      I don't want Iggy to be benched if he can't hit the 3 though. We know he can defend, is athletic and gets to the foul line. That sounds perfect for a guy next to Granger.

                      You would think Dunleavy or Ford would have to be involved, but not sure the Sixers would want much on our team that we're willing to give up?
                      Giving them Ford and/or Dun might be the best part.

                      We'd be questioning for years what was more hilarious..that we got Collison for Troy, or Iggy for Ford...

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                      • #26
                        Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                        Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                        Why would Cleveland want to take on Iggy AND especially Brand's contracts if they are such a bad team? Are they smoking dope? They need to be clearing space.

                        Philly would walk away from this deal laughing their ***es off while Cleveland is stuck in a rut for the next 3-4 years.
                        They could at least get to the the second round I think.

                        Mo,Iguadola,Parker,Brand,Varejao
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                        • #27
                          Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                          Originally posted by idioteque View Post
                          I can't see Iggy going to Cleveland though, presumably he wants to get out of Philly because they're losing.
                          I doubt going to Cleveland remedies that issue.
                          You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                          • #28
                            Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                            Iggy would fit extremely well in this system...better than Rush will ever fit. Isn't Rush just a year younger? Who cares if we resign Rush if we have Iggy?

                            As for PG, I wish I had a crystal ball. That guy could turn into a better player than Granger and Iggy. I'd hate to trade him and later watch him in the all-star game for the next 10 years.

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                            • #29
                              Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                              Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                              Iggy would fit extremely well in this system...better than Rush will ever fit. Isn't Rush just a year younger? Who cares if we resign Rush if we have Iggy?

                              As for PG, I wish I had a crystal ball. That guy could turn into a better player than Granger and Iggy. I'd hate to trade him and later watch him in the all-star game for the next 10 years.
                              I'm in the same boat. I really just hate the idea of trading Paul. I think he's going to be very, very good in a few years. I'd rather trade hans and rush then give up Paul, honestly.
                              Last edited by righteouscool; 12-05-2010, 11:31 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Re: 76ers Attempting To Trade Iguodala

                                Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                                Why would Cleveland want to take on Iggy AND especially Brand's contracts if they are such a bad team? Are they smoking dope? They need to be clearing space.

                                Philly would walk away from this deal laughing their ***es off while Cleveland is stuck in a rut for the next 3-4 years.
                                A Byron Scott led Team with MoWill/Iggy/Brand/Varajao would do fairly well. I don't get the sense that the Cavs ( given the Owners committment to the fans to get them back to prominence ) are a Team that would completely rebuild.....they should be doing what the Pacers have been doing the last 3 seasons....re-tooling instead of re-building. Making a move for Iggy+Brand could get them there.
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