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Rule #1

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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Tales from Spike Lee Vol. I

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  • Tales from Spike Lee Vol. I

    The following is an excerpt from Spike Lee's 1997 book, Best Seat in the House: A Basketball Memoir with Ralph Wiley.

    as told by Spike Lee:

    The Pacers' star was a willowy 6-7 shooter named Reggie Miller, out of UCLA. Had been in the league seven years at the time. Reggie couldn’t dominate the boards like Barkley, or on D like Jordan. But Reggie Miller could score with anybody. This we found out.

    The Series was tied at two games apiece going into game five at the Garden. At that time, we were starting Oakley and 6-10 Charles Smith up front, Patrick in the middle, and Derek Harper and Starks at guard, bringing Mase, Hubert Davis, and Greg Anthony off the bench, and sometimes Herb Williams. It was a solid eight-man rotation, defensive minded. Ro Blackman was not in the rotation, but still on the roster, had been one of the best scorers in the league. He was 6-6. He’d lost a step but hadn’t lost his stroke. The stroke is the last thing to go. Calvin Murphy is somewhere demonstrating his free throw proficiency or dropping j’s in his street clothes even as we speak, probably. But Pat preferred to play fresh, younger legs. Riley seemed to have all the ducks in a row. It seemed to me many fans in the Garden might as well have been at Tavern on the Green or Elaine’s. It was now the chichi thing to do – go see the Knicks and be seen.

    “It become prohibitive, the ticket prices,” said Bill Bradley. “The people that come to the arena now are like a studio audience; they are going to be part of the show.”

    We jumped on them, 28-16 in the first quarter and led at halftime, 43-35. Starks and Hubert Davis were doing a good job on Miller, and Patrick was on that day – 10 of 15 from the field, 29 points. This was the swing game, game five. At the beginning of the fourth quarter, the Knicks led, 70-58, and there was no way for the Pacers to come back, not against our defense. I began to get on Reggie, just a little, like a normal fan, as blue-seaters can be called. It gave him something else to concentrate on, and quite by accident, I found myself to be too correct.

    Reggie Miller’s fourth quarter started with the Pacers putting a team of center LaSalle Thompson, forward Dale Davis, a monster on D and the boards, a nonentity named Kenny Williams, a backup point guard, not a starter but a New York ballplayer named Vern Fleming.

    The quarter started with Reggie hitting a three-point over Hubert. It wasn’t Hubert’s fault. It seemed as if Reggie had let fly as soon as he crossed half-court. All net. Knicks by nine.

    At this time I was still having fun. I shouted to the Knicks guards to touch him, find Reggie, stay up on him. Stay up on him and make him put it on the floor. He wasn’t going to beat us by driving to the basket. At this point I was unconcerned, especially with Riley sending in Starks to replace Hubert Davis. There was no way for Reggie to beat us all. With 10:23 left, the Pacers ran Reggie off some screens and he caught and turned and fired all in one motion, from 24 feet away. Rip. Uh-oh. He was getting warm: 72-64, Knicks. I turned to Tonya and said, “Are we in trouble here?” Greg Anthony is a good athlete, good defensive player, but until this time he had not shown much O. He was in the game now, made a steal, and then threw the ball away. I shot up out of my seat, said not a word. Coach Brown shot up off the Pacers’ bench at the same time, screaming instructions. Miller mid-range j: 72-68. Riley got Harper and Charles Smith back in there. It made no difference. Miller, off a creative set designed by Brown to get him free, Starks struggling through the screen, the screen is moving! Moving screen! Neither Joe Crawford nor Jack Madden paid me any attention. Reggie from the corner. Swish: 72-70.

    “He got hot,” Starks told me later. “Hubert was on him at the beginning of the quarter, and then all of a sudden he exploded, he went off. I couldn’t believe it, because I was in his face the majority of the time. When a player gets hot in this league…”

    Ewing lost the ball. Workman hit two free throws to tie the game at 72, Thompson made a steal, Reggie on a breakaway, pulled up a good 3 feet behind the 3-point arc. He let fly, then turned and looked directly in my face as the ball split the net. His third 3-pointer of the period, with 7:40 left in the game, made it 75-72, Indiana. With every shot after that, Reggie was looking at me, going, “Yeah! Yeah!” I got caught up. I yelled back. And the Garden fans and everybody in a national TV audience saw. It was like Reggie was playing me as well as the Knicks. He pointed at me. He gestured. I pointed back at him. His nostrils flared. “Let’s get on this guy!” I screamed.

    Larry Brown was calm as the Pacers gathered around him. He seemed to be having fun. This was not his first group out there, except Davis and Reggie, but they were on a roll, so he broke his rotation and let them stay. Offensively, the game was in Reggie’s hands now, and that’s where Brown wanted it. It was their only way. The Knicks defense was impenetrable, but Reggie didn’t have to penetrate. He could bomb from deep. Reggie had made a 12-point Knicks lead evaporate in a scant four minutes and twenty seconds. The Knicks came back out, but now Reggie was unconscious, zoned, locked in, and I was in the middle of his bombsight. At 6:59, another 3 from deep, off a triple-screen. Reggie came back down the court pointing at this chest, with a De Niroesque scowl leveled directly at me. I stood straight up. “Get up on this guy, willya! Come on!” At 5:52, Reggie hit his fifth 3-pointer of the fourth quarter on a pass from Dale Davis and a screen from Thompson, giving Indiana an 8-point lead, 81-73, and as Riley called a twenty-second time-out, Reggie gestured at me as he sauntered back to the Indiana bench.

    You could have fried an egg on my forehead. Marv Albert, by now the national announcer for NBC, was saying on the air that I was not part of the game and that I “should realize that.” Marv, you’re from Brooklyn too. What, you want me to just sit here? At 500 bananas a pop? What on earth did I have to do with Reggie setting an NBA playoff record with five 3-pointers in a quarter? And there was still 5:52 left! I was into it now, exhorting the Knicks to come back and make Reggie pay. The Knicks did claw back into it, scoring the next 6 to cut the lead to 2.

    Bas as soon as the defense’s eyes left Reggie Miller, there he was again, getting a good look at it, from 19 feet away, all net, barely even disturbing the net, with 2:45 left. Then, as Oakley stepped out to try to double Reggie on the next trip, Dale Davis went backdoor for a pillar-crashing lob-slam that seemed to be right on top of my head. Reggie hit two free throws with 2:25 left, making it 87-79. The Pacers played the passing lanes, doubled Patrick at every turn, and the Knicks tried, to force it in there to him and were unsuccessful at it, and we were reduced to fouling. Workman hit two free throws with 42.5 seconds left, and then a triumphant Reggie hit two more free throws after a hard foul by Oakley with 21.1 seconds left, giving Indiana a 10-point lead, 93-83. After Oakley fouled, Reggie’s eyes found mine. And all eyes at the Garden followed his. They knew where he was looking. Reggie gesticulated. I gesticulated back. There was nothing to be done – not by me. I might as well have been catatonic as Patrick hit a meaningless three with 2.3 seconds left.

    Then it was over, and Reggie Miller, Larry Brown, and the rest of them were running off the floor, through the dark square passageway. The Knicks had lost. Miller scored 25 fourth–quarter points – the twelve-minute equivalent of a 100-point game, including a playoff record five threes, to give Indiana a game five win over the Knicks at the Garden, putting the Pacers up three games to two, with the chance to close us out two days later at Market Square Arena in Indy.

    “I’ve seen guys go off, have big quarters, but not under those circumstances,” Larry Brown would tell me later. “A game that was that important to a franchise, against a superior defensive team like the Knicks were then, and, most importantly, Spike, with the people we had on the floor at the time. LaSalle Thompson was at center. He’d been injured and had barely played that whole year. He was no offensive threat at all. We had Kenny Williams out there, and also Heywoode Workman for defense. And I never saw anything like it. I just sat there and became a spectator.”

    Did Coach Brown notice that I was dying over there? “I was too busy coaching,” he said. “I didn’t realize it until I saw you bury your head at the end. Everybody blamed you, Spike. And it was good to see somebody else get blamed for a change.”

    Reggie had snatched my heart out of body, then capped on me on top of that. Marv Albert said I had to realize I was not part of the game. Reggie made me part of it, then left me lying there. Until the next game. Game six, two days away, on Friday, at Market Square Arena in Indianapolis. If anything was left of me by then after the scavengers finished picking at me. “Spike Lee lost the game, he got Reggie pissed off.” Those were the words of Madison Square Garden President Bob Gutkowski. “Spike definitely said something that set him off. I’m not sure what it was, but Reggie sure took us on a ride after that,” said Indiana Pacer Antonio Davis. “Sometimes [Spike Lee] opens his mouth a little too much and gets the other guys going. Tonight was one of those nights,” added Reggie Miller.

    Reggie had played it – and me – like a Stradivarius. He stared at me and gave me the choke sign, his hand around his throat, then moved his hands to his privates. That’s when it got ugly up in there. He was like a rabid dog and had to be restrained by his teammates. He ran off the court yelling, “Chokers! Chokers!” He had finished with 39 points, several disrespectful gestures. And he also should have sent out some nice Christmas cards to the refs that year. I don’t know if I’ve ever been so inconsolable on the one hand, livid on the other, that Reggie had brought me into it and then done what he did. I took it personally. It was heat of battle. At the time it was hard not to take it personally. He focused on me. It was between the brothers. Later, he apologized. It can happen, between teammates – or brothers. Oakley and Starks are always going at it, and it seems they are always yelling at each other on the court. Yet Starks waves it off. “Oh, naw, that’s going to happen in a family, especially when you’re trying to accomplish something together,” he says.

    At other times, this byplay is fun, like two years before, whenever Michael Jordan hit a couple of shots, he looked at me and said, “Uh-oh, I’m getting warm, Spike. Uh-oh, I’m getting hot now.” Or when he starts hitting shots and then he looks over and I turn and look the other way. All that makes the game more exciting. I remember the last good year Mark Price, the Cleveland point guard, had. He was having a terrible game. They were warming up for the second half; I’m reading the stat sheet. Loud. “Mark Price. Two-for-ten, five turnovers.” He came over, started to laugh. Hmm, Mark, do we have a chill tonight? Are we coming down with something? In the third quarter, he must have hit five deep bombs in a row, one of them right in front of me. The ball went in with a rip of nylon, and just as it did, he turned and mulled my baseball cap down over my eyes. That stuff is good-natured. The only times I thought it wasn’t were the times involving Scottie and the Reggie thing. I know it intensifies in the playoffs.

    On our way home from game five, things were sort of quiet between Tonya and me. Then she said, “He fed off you, that’s what happened. He used your energy.” She was perfunctory. Wasn’t a scolding or anything. We can have our debates. She likes to go to the ball games, and that is important to me, that she would, maybe in the way that it is important to a man for a woman to like his brothers, or at least be able to tolerate them. Or at least get along. A man does want that to happen. I know she would rather be ringside at a World Championship title fight in boxing, even though she doesn’t care for Mike Tyson. To put it her way, she has “issues” with Tyson. I don’t care how many times I say Tyson, she has “issues” with him. At the same time, she would go to the mat with me quick over Tupac Shakur. I don’t care how many times she might say that Tupac was misunderstood, I had “issues” with him. But what could I say now? Reggie probably had used me. But I was just being me. Reggie brought the playground to the Garden, and I was in his way. I was mad. I took it personally. Later on, somebody tried to tell me he didn’t even know Tonya was there. It was between him and me. I had put myself in that position by being the kind of fan I am, by getting the best seats in the house. I was right there. It was another sellout of the Garden. Nobody went home happy. I didn’t. Tonya said there’d be another game another day. I didn’t say there was no way I’d miss it. But then, I didn’t have to say it. She already knew. At the same time, Pat Riley was telling the press, “There was a massive thud of everybody jumping off the bandwagon. There will be the same resounding thud of everybody jumping back on.”
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