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    Default Pacers GM Says Trade Talk Is On Hold… For Now

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    When you look at all the teams that should be trying to make some sort of deal to improve their club, the Indiana Pacers are certainly on the list. With loads of promising youth, a gaping hole at the power forward spot, and almost $26 million in expiring contracts to work with, the Pacers are certainly in great position to dangle some intriguing offers.

    Team GM David Morway, however, says the team is in a good place right now, and immediate changes aren't something he feels are particularly necessary.

    "We like our team right now," Morway said before his team's tough home loss to the Orlando Magic on Saturday night. "We like the combination next year of our young players and our veteran players. We like the chemistry in our locker room and what we're building here, so we're not actively pursuing any trades right now."

    That doesn't mean, however, that Morway and team president Larry Bird have shut their ears to offers from other teams—just that when it comes to rebuilding, this team feels like it's close, and the guys in charge don't want to do anything rash to mess that up.

    "We feel like we're getting closer. We certainly think we have taken some big steps and are now in a position where we've got a young core of players that we can move forward with. We're going to have a lot of flexibility to add to the basketball team, so we think we're in a very good position."

    With an All-Star caliber forward like Danny Granger leading the charge, flanked by point guard Darren Collison and big man Roy Hibbert, the Pacers really are heading in a direction in which they really could be a perennial playoff team. And, as Morway pointed out, they've done it without a single-digit draft pick during the rebuilding process—something that has required a whole different level of preparation for the draft process.

    "Larry and I took over this team three years ago, and when we did we drafted Roy at #17, Brandon at #13, Tyler at #13, A.J. Price in the 50s, Paul George at 10, and Lance Stephenson at 40," Morway explained.

    "You never know for sure, but if you do your homework—and I'm not talking just about on-court scouting, but going off-court to make sure you know their work habits, their professionalism, their maturity, their dedication—then it helps to eliminate some mistakes."

    And while many of the young players he mentioned have promise, Morway understands that they aren't necessarily the end-all for this team at those positions.

    "We're not there yet, and as a young team we're going to have periods where we struggle, but we certainly are heading in the right direction. We're exactly where we said we would be, and if we do the right things over the next 12 months, Larry and Coach and I feel like we're a team that you'll have to think about in the East."
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    Default Re: Pacers GM Says Trade Talk Is On Hold… For Now

    It's very refreshing to hear articles like this rather than constant articles about how dumb our coaching is, how we don't have a point guard, how we are thugs, etc.

    However, we have a lot more work to do. We have no production from the power forward or shooting guard spots right now and there is still corruption in our team's rotations.

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    I must say that at this point I have full confidence in this management.
    The way they drafted, the way they treated all the 'jailpacers' distractions, the way they stay patient where they need to be patient... I don't know that there's even 3 managements in this league who could have handled all those things better.
    If this management feels that the current team chemistry, the veterans help the young guys progress, I'm behind them.

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    I've really warmed up to the idea of resigning Bird. I hope that he agrees to resign as he has flirted with the idea of both retiring and resigning. I really can't imagine an Isaiah Thomas coming in to destroy everything after all us fans have been through. Yuck.

    I 100% trust him with drafting players especially. I hated the Hansbrough pick, and I didn't like the Hibbert pick. How did that go?

    I just hope that he doesn't waste our money on this years' pupu platter free agents. There's only a handful that are any good. Carmelo, Zach Randolph, Carl Landry, and Caron Butler are about the only ones that are worth a crap.
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    I'm sorry to be the one,but how do you crow about players that still have to be spoon fed minutes on a perennially below .500 team.

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    I've really warmed up to the idea of resigning Bird. I hope that he agrees to resign as he has flirted with the idea of both retiring and resigning. I really can't imagine an Isaiah Thomas coming in to destroy everything after all us fans have been through. Yuck.

    I 100% trust him with drafting players especially. I hated the Hansbrough pick, and I didn't like the Hibbert pick. How did that go?

    I just hope that he doesn't waste our money on this years' pupu platter free agents. There's only a handful that are any good. Carmelo, Zach Randolph, Carl Landry, and Caron Butler are about the only ones that are worth a crap.
    On that note, I'm starting to really like Randolph. I thought last year might have been a fluke, but theway he looked so far this year is just... wow. Might be the best FA realistically available for us, and I wouldn't mind giving him something similar to what Granger got.

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    However, we have a lot more work to do. We have no production from the power forward or shooting guard spots right now and there is still corruption in our team's rotations.
    Offensive production may be an issue, but I like some of the things I've seen from Rush and Hansbrough. Rush's defense and shooting are very nice compliments to his teammates' skills, and Hansbrough is basically still a rookie. Tyler bruising people up and being a brick wall may not show up in a box score, but that type of toughness and presence makes a difference. He has plenty of room to grow, too. McRoberts has stunk it up a bit lately, but he'll be fine. I won't be upset if we give it some time to see what we have with our rather young PFs as they learn and develop for now.

    I'm hoping the Pacers can draft a really solid backup bigman who can play PF and C. If a great trade comes along for such a player, go for it, but I'm content to see how the draft and next year's free agent shopping goes.

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    I'm sorry to be the one,but how do you crow about players that still have to be spoon fed minutes on a perennially below .500 team.
    You mean the draft picks we are exited about aren't good enough to get minutes on a below .500 team? That's quite delusional.

    Or do you mean the management is crowing about the veterans. Then you misread the article. They are crowing about youngsters and expirings.

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    I'm sorry to be the one,but how do you crow about players that still have to be spoon fed minutes on a perennially below .500 team.
    Roy speaks for himself and I thought that Hansbrough was going to be insanely bad. Not sure why but that is the way that I thought.

    They aren't being spoon fed minutes either. Roy might have been two years ago but nowadays Roy would be starting for over 50% of these teams in the NBA, probably more like 20-23 or so. Tyler deserves many more minutes than he has gotten as well, even though he probably wouldn't be starting for any teams.

    The reason that we have lost in these past years is because Donnie did one of the dumbest trades in basketball history when he traded Stephen Jackson and Al for Murphleavy as well as that dreaded day that I will not get into. Some would say that the trade had to be done, but if would have been much better off had we just waived Jackson. Those two things set us back for years. Bird stepped in and got us talent and cap space and next year, under a better coach and upgraded shooting guard, backup center, and power forward positions, we will be ready to steadily make strides.

    The only moves that I do not approve of are the Foster extension (deserved an extension but that was a bit much), and the Jim extension (it was time to part ways).

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    I don't see a problem with not actively pursuing any trades at this point in time because it is so early in the season and we need to know what we got before we start trading. For all we know by the end of December both Hansbrough and McRoberts will be taking the league by storm.

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    On that note, I'm starting to really like Randolph. I thought last year might have been a fluke, but theway he looked so far this year is just... wow. Might be the best FA realistically available for us, and I wouldn't mind giving him something similar to what Granger got.
    The way Zach Randolph plays with his offensive rebounds and tip-in baskets and keeping possessions alive, I really like what he is doing for the Grizzlies nowadays. I just don't want to pay him like he's Danny Granger, though, as he's getting older now and he could go back to being the unwanted player he was in no time on another new team imo.

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    The way Zach Randolph plays with his offensive rebounds and tip-in baskets and keeping possessions alive, I really like what he is doing for the Grizzlies nowadays. I just don't want to pay him like he's Danny Granger, though, as he's getting older now and he could go back to being the unwanted player he was in no time on another new team imo.
    I agree, there's a risk. I think age is a bit less of an issue, because he doesn't rely on athleticism. He's about strength, hustle and skills, and those things don't deteriorate as fast. But the attitude, there's always a risk.

    As for the deal, I feel that with him being the biggest FA name after Melo this year, his market price might be quite high. Maybe even max - whatever the max will be under new CBA. I feel that if we could get him for Granger's kind of money, that would almost be a steal. Although you never feel 100% comfortable paying so much money to a former headcase.

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    It's a smart move to tell other GMs via the media that the Pacers aren't actively pursuing trades right now. The GMs obviously know the Pacers' depth chart and any team looking to acquire, say a shooting guard, might look at a trade scenario with Indiana. That is that, by claiming that we are not in a rush and we are content with what we have at this point, the price for our guards is higher. We don't have to move players, next season it is going to pan out with the expiring contracts eventually and the roster is set momentarily to make quite a splash in a weak bootom of the east (seeds 7 and 8).

    Sidenote, I think it helps to improve the young players' confidence as well.

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    I wasn't knocking the players I just find it odd that the mgmt continues to crow about players who when I come to see play are sitting on the bench. While I agree with the idea of developing players,most of our guys are top 15 draft picks from great programs and have generally proved, for the most part ,that they can be effective, as per the crowing. I guess I was just venting about the substitutions. I'd love to see the guys Morway mentioned play more but the article left me feeling like I'll have to wait till next year.
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    Good idea. TJ Ford is really the only the player that I would trade with 100% confidence. I like AJ Price's old-school style of playing the PG. Everyone else on the team has a designated or potential role on the team. If I had more confidence in Paul George, we could let Dunleavy go too. As for our PF position, we just got the wrong guy starting. I believe that McRoberts would be better coming the bench. If Foster is healthy now, then we're good at the backup C spot.

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    I think this is absolutely reasonable. Most trade talk happens before training camp this early in the season. Teams typically have to hold out and wait to see things play out for a little while before realizing what their needs are. Most GMs know what other GMs have interest in, and until their needs change, many times trades won't make sense.

    This time of year is a bit unusual to see trades, although we did see the NO/TOR deal, which makes a ton of sense for both teams. NO brought in Bayless hoping he could be that combo guard off the bench. That is the role that Jack will fill for them, and he will do well in NO. Toronto wanted to cut Jack's salary instead of paying both he and Calderon to be PGs. This deal made sense before the season started, and the lack of change to their roster dynamics is the reason it was made now. NO wanted Jack. He was a big upgrade over Bayless, IMO.

    As for us, we know what we have. At this point, those expiring veterans will be very attractive for many teams heading into the new CBA. We could do well getting draft picks for them. If we can take a page out of the books of OKC and POR over the last several years, they made a lot of draft pick swaps during the draft. If we could package a few of the draft picks we get to move up, it might make a hell of a lot more sense than signing a free agent.

    Long story short, there is no need to trade someone nor the demand for any of our players, yet, that a trade makes sense in late November. Our name will be thrown around in trade rumors from Dec 15-Feb 15 enough that our appetite for "news" or "rumors" will be filled.

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    I like Bird as the GM, but I wouldn't be upset if Bird left and gave the keys to Morway either.

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    I don't want anyone running this organization that hasn't won a NBA All Star three point shootout.
    *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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    If the management is happy with the current roster, does that mean that failure to meet expectations on the court falls primarily on the coach?

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    I like this team so far.

    If anyone is going to be traded, it'll probably be one the expiring contracts.

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    If the management is happy with the current roster, does that mean that failure to meet expectations on the court falls primarily on the coach?
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    If the management is happy with the current roster, does that mean that failure to meet expectations on the court falls primarily on the coach?
    Whose expectations, yours or theirs?

    I mean, really, are you saying that a team should never be given a chance to gel a little before being re-evaluated?

    I think all that is being said is that there is nothing out there that is so amazing that it beats seeing what we have in this group of players together and looking at it again closer to the trade deadline or even this summer.
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    Whose expectations, yours or theirs?

    I mean, really, are you saying that a team should never be given a chance to gel a little before being re-evaluated?

    I think all that is being said is that there is nothing out there that is so amazing that it beats seeing what we have in this group of players together and looking at it again closer to the trade deadline or even this summer.
    I tend to agree with you. I think they are happy enough with the current roster to be patient and let the season (and that of other teams) continue to play out.

    They're in a good position to be opportunistic, so hopefully opportunity will come to them in some form or another. I'm sure they'll investigate scenarios they think make sense, but there seems little reason to desperately chase something.

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    Whose expectations, yours or theirs?

    I mean, really, are you saying that a team should never be given a chance to gel a little before being re-evaluated?

    I think all that is being said is that there is nothing out there that is so amazing that it beats seeing what we have in this group of players together and looking at it again closer to the trade deadline or even this summer.
    Theirs. Which, IIRC, was the playoffs.

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    pacers need to try and trade for anthony randolph. i think he would be a perfect compliment to roy. he is getting a lot of DNP's right now with the knicks and now would be the perfect time to try and get him at a good price
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