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    Let's not go crazy here, even though I never like Troy I wouldn't say that he is not a winner or that he is a loser, is not his fault that he is been playing for so many bad teams.

    Posey is a winner because he was lucky enough to play with Shaq, Dwade,KG,Pierce and Ray Allen, KG got to lose a lot of games
    In Minnesotta and nobody ever call him a loser.
    Well, it kind of is his fault if he is playing 35 mpg. I mean he is part of why they are bad, and from what I have seen with the Pacers, he was the biggest reason (along with the coach who played him so much) why they were bad.

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    Well, it kind of is his fault if he is playing 35 mpg. I mean he is part of why they are bad, and from what I have seen with the Pacers, he was the biggest reason (along with the coach who played him so much) why they were bad.
    I agree but I don't think that we can compare the two guys, one is been lucky to be playing in winning teams and the other one is been unlucky to be with bad teams.

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    I'd rather have Posey at the 4 than Murphy.

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    I'd rather have Posey at the 4 than Murphy.
    That has become crystal clear to me as well...for most matchups. Not all, but most.

    Posey is not going to be bullied in the paint and give up easy layups.

    I recognize Posey's weaknesses and he is very flawed. However, he doesn't hurt you as bad. Murphy helps you win 10 or 20% of the time. I think Posey helps you win maybe 50% of the time. He also takes timely threes rather than constant threes.

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    Trading for Murphy was a bad decision for the Nets, it was obvious from the beginning. I doubt they're already considering this seriously... even though they should.

    I don't like the idea of having Avery making personnel decisions. A coach overseeing personnel moves generally doesn't work, especially for rebuilding franchises. Proky should "promote" Billy King and hire someone to actually rule over Avery. Otherwise this kind of blunder will happen again.

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    The whole reason Troy was acquired by Jersey in the first place was for trading him and his expiring contract for a better player this season.
    Nope.

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    NJ had the cap space, knew Troy was expiring and knew he would give them quality minutes while Favors develops. It's easier to package a player with a larger contract in a deal for someone like Melo, rather than gutting your roster to get close to matching up salaries.
    If they hadn't acquired Murphy, they wouldn't need to gutter their roster to acquire a player like Melo exactly because they wouldn't need to match up salaries (just like they didn't need to matchup salaries to trade for Murphy).

    Instead of keeping the cap space to facilitate a potential mid-season trade (Melo or whoever), Avery decided to spend it on Murphy because as a coach he wanted another veteran in the team. Now he's happy with the rotation, so no need for Murphy any more.

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    Let's not go crazy here, even though I never like Troy I wouldn't say that he is not a winner or that he is a loser, is not his fault that he is been playing for so many bad teams.

    Posey is a winner because he was lucky enough to play with Shaq, Dwade,KG,Pierce and Ray Allen, KG got to lose a lot of games
    In Minnesotta and nobody ever call him a loser.
    It would be interesting to see Troy play on a good team. He really never has done that.

    But the comparison to KG is funny. Troy isn't going to be the key piece on a championship team. At best, he might give 10-15 minutes of perimeter shooting as a backup on a contender. Nothing more though.

    If he played better defense...like Posey has done in his career, he could be a guy who contributed in a minor way like Posey in terms of hitting a small number of key shots...but Troy is a terrible defender for a PF. As a result, he cannot be on the floor without launching a large number of threes....because otherwise his plus/minus would lead the league in the wrong direction. It's bad nonetheless. This is probably the main reason the Nets have him glued to the bench. They apparently are trying to win games.

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    It would be interesting to see Troy play on a good team. He really never has done that.
    In part because it's hard to put a good team out on the floor when you're playing your backup PF over 10mil/year.
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    Just so everyone knows, per the CBA, there's no way we can get Murphy back this season unless he's waived by whatever team he's on (doubtful scenario).

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    Just so everyone knows, per the CBA, there's no way we can get Murphy back this season unless he's waived by whatever team he's on (doubtful scenario).
    Hmm, that's interesting. Did not know that.


    For you older dudes, how did we get Mark Jackson back in 96-97? Was he waived by Denver, or did we initiate a trade?

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    For you older dudes, how did we get Mark Jackson back in 96-97? Was he waived by Denver, or did we initiate a trade?
    Previous CBA.

    But I'm not an older dude.
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    Previous CBA.

    But I'm not an older dude.
    So we did trade back for him? That's cool. I know we traded him originally for Jalen.


    Now that I've done research, Wikipedia shows that we traded Vincent Askew and Eddie Johnson at the deadline to bring him back. So, when all was said in done, we received Jax and Jalen, and only gave up Askew, E.J, and a few 2nd rounders.

    Not bad.

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    For you older dudes, how did we get Mark Jackson back in 96-97? Was he waived by Denver, or did we initiate a trade?
    I forget.

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    I think that rule about teams not reacquiring players traded already existed in the previous CBA.

    Jackson was traded pre-draft, in June, and a NBA season goes from July 1 to June 30. So, you can trade a player in the draft day and get him back via trade a month later. The rule only applies within the season.

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