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  • #31
    Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

    He's a better 3 point shooter in the corner, but he can shoot better in the middle when he's at the top of the key.

    He's just an inconsistent scorer.

    With his 3 point shooting, he can attempt 1 or 2 3 pointers, but then the next night he's attempting over 5. He should shoot more because he's a decent shooter.

    He looks a lot more comfortable this season so far.

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    • #32
      Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

      alright, ive heard enough BS comments directed towards me. you losers need to realize i was making a point that Adam Morrison (who i believe won college POY) and his collegiate statistics do not mean damn thing in the nba. the guy posted rush's stats from college.. well here is something else some of you tools may not be aware of.. the 3 pt line is a helluva lot closer to the rim than in the nba.. so why the hell even bother posting his college stats.. its irrelevant. just like what adam morrison who was picked 3rd overall based on college accodalades is now ultimately irrelevant as well cause he has not done much in the nba now has he.

      some of you who claim your so damn smart and all knowing yet cannot even read b/t the lines on this simple analogy makes me realize how blindly foolish you are to the fact rush is not a consistently accurate 3 pt shooter.

      that was the point i was trying to make.. i didnt think i would need to spell out to some of you like 5 yr olds but apparently just b/c your raised in Indiana doesnt necessarily mean you have a lick of sense when it comes to this game.

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      • #33
        Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

        Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
        I'd just stop arguing with this guy. He is completely out of touch with reality.
        yea.. i stopped discussing your asinine comments a long time ago as well.. purdue sucks and your understanding of the game isnt much better.

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        • #34
          Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

          I just don't think you've made one coherent point this entire time, sorry.


          Is his % low? No, this is obvious.

          Does Brandon Rush not shoot enough threes so it is too small of a sample size to say his % is accurate to his true skill? Clearly not the case IMO, he averaged close to 4 threes attempted per game last year. He attempted the 40th most 3s in the NBA last season. Of that top 40, only 5 guys had higher %'s than him... (Jason Kidd 42.5%, Channing Frye 43.9%, Stephen Curry 43.7%, Mo Williams 42.9%, Anthony Morrow 45.6%).

          What does that mean? It means that not only was Rush shooting a good amount of 3s, but that his rate of making them compares very favorably to the rest of the top 40 in the NBA in terms of 3 pointers attempted. Only 5 other guys IN THE ENTIRE NBA, took MORE 3s than Rush AND shot the 3 point shot at a higher percentage. That says more about consistency than anything else could IMO.

          So I guess my question is, what exactly are you complaining about from his shooting?

          He airballed an open 3 once and you saw it? Give me a break. Every NBA player has at one point or another.

          You don't like his follow through or form on his shot? Reggie's shot wasn't exactly a thing of beauty, lots of great shooters have different releases. If it works, it works.
          Last edited by Trader Joe; 11-16-2010, 03:15 PM.


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          • #35
            Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

            Also, would anyone who answered no to this question, answer "Yes" if we replaced Brandon Rush with Shane Battier?


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            • #36
              Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

              Does it really matter enough to get down to 'loser' and 'tool' level?

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              • #37
                Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                Originally posted by ballism View Post
                Does it really matter enough to get down to 'loser' and 'tool' level?
                The internet is serious business.


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                • #38
                  Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                  Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                  I just don't think you've made one coherent point this entire time, sorry.


                  Is his % low? No, this is obvious.

                  Does Brandon Rush not shoot enough threes so it is too small of a sample size to say his % is accurate to his true skill? Clearly not the case IMO, he averaged close to 4 threes attempted per game last year. He attempted the 40th most 3s in the NBA last season. Of that top 40, only 5 guys had higher %'s than him... (Jason Kidd 42.5%, Channing Frye 43.9%, Stephen Curry 43.7%, Mo Williams 42.9%, Anthony Morrow 45.6%).

                  What does that mean? It means that not only was Rush shooting a good amount of 3s, but that his rate of making them compares very favorably to the rest of the top 40 in the NBA in terms of 3 pointers attempted. Only 5 other guys IN THE ENTIRE NBA, took MORE 3s than Rush AND shot the 3 point shot at a higher percentage. That says more about consistency than anything else could IMO.

                  So I guess my question is, what exactly are you complaining about from his shooting?

                  He airballed an open 3 once and you saw it? Give me a break. Every NBA player has at one point or another.

                  You don't like his follow through or form on his shot? Reggie's shot wasn't exactly a thing of beauty, lots of great shooters have different releases. If it works, it works.
                  oh dear.. jason kidd is on this list, i do not know if your aware but its been known in the league for a long time that kidd was not a good shooter, and perhaps the only weakness of his game, the fact his shooting % is 42 just makes my point more valid, that stats can be at times misleading. kidd may have improved, but the majority of his career he was not known as a 3 pt assassain. this clearly illustrates my point that %'s can be misleading. moreoever, i would guess the majority of kidds shots are taken when he is open off of a double team, which helps greatly his %. if he were the primary focus of the defense like Dirk is, Kidd's % would probably drop to 34 %.

                  kidd has never been a great shooter and yet he managed a 42 % number.. that should at least give you some clue that the numbers may be misleading.

                  for all the expectations coming out of college that rush was a great 3 pt shooter, i guess i have not been impressed with his shooting abilities.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                    Just to commpare him to some of the great 3pt shooters in the league..

                    Paul Pierce 09-10 .414 3pt%
                    Brandon Rush 09-10 .411
                    Troy Murphy 09-10 .384
                    Ray Allen 09-10 .363

                    Brandon was 14th in the league in 3pt FG% with a minimum 50 attempts.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      Also, would anyone who answered no to this question, answer "Yes" if we replaced Brandon Rush with Shane Battier?
                      Sorry still no. His defense is a threat like Rush but when you score less than double digits consistently I just can't bring myself to call that person a threat in any way offensively. The only exception I make to that is guys who win games with a final shot or stop an opposing team 4th quarter run like Robert Horry did.

                      Rush and Battier are great defensive players but sorry if I don't respect thier 3 point shot that they hit 2 times in a game.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                        RE: PacersPride

                        All you are saying is that numbers can be misleading, but you have not made one coherent point as to what it is exactly that make's Brandon's stats misleading!

                        So far you started off referencing one airball that Rush had, even maintaining at one point that Reggie Miller had NEVER in his entire career airballed an open 3.

                        Then you also said, you don't like his follow through. Which again I will say, lots of great shooters have had unorthodox releases, even Reggie Miller.

                        And Kidd has been a very good 3 point shooter since he arrived in Dallas, suggesting perhaps that his problem was never his shot, but rather his shot selection. He does get more open looks in Dallas and hits them at a very reliable rate. Which is the entire point of taking an open 3 pointer no?


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                        • #42
                          Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                          Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                          alright, ive heard enough BS comments directed towards me. you losers need to realize i was making a point that Adam Morrison (who i believe won college POY) and his collegiate statistics do not mean damn thing in the nba. the guy posted rush's stats from college.. well here is something else some of you tools may not be aware of.. the 3 pt line is a helluva lot closer to the rim than in the nba.. so why the hell even bother posting his college stats.. its irrelevant. just like what adam morrison who was picked 3rd overall based on college accodalades is now ultimately irrelevant as well cause he has not done much in the nba now has he.

                          some of you who claim your so damn smart and all knowing yet cannot even read b/t the lines on this simple analogy makes me realize how blindly foolish you are to the fact rush is not a consistently accurate 3 pt shooter.

                          that was the point i was trying to make.. i didnt think i would need to spell out to some of you like 5 yr olds but apparently just b/c your raised in Indiana doesnt necessarily mean you have a lick of sense when it comes to this game.
                          Brandon Rush is not Adam Morrison. How he has transitioned into the league does not exactly mirror the circumstances of Brandon.

                          If you don't wanna go that way, then how about this.

                          Brandon Rush's first two NBA seasons 3pt%:

                          37.3% rookie
                          41.1% Sophomore

                          Reggie Miller's first two NBA seasons 3pt%:

                          35.5% rookie
                          40.2% Sophomore


                          I never claimed to be smart, I just think it's a bad idea to blindly argue against numbers.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                            Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                            Just to commpare him to some of the great 3pt shooters in the league..

                            Paul Pierce 09-10 .414 3pt%
                            Brandon Rush 09-10 .411
                            Troy Murphy 09-10 .384
                            Ray Allen 09-10 .363

                            Brandon was 14th in the league in 3pt FG% with a minimum 50 attempts.
                            Like I said only 5 guys in the entire league shot MORE 3s than Rush AND had a higher 3 point percentage.


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                            • #44
                              Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                              Rush shoots 62 % from the free throw line.. 42 % from the field. your telling me this guy is an accurate shooter, but can only manage 62% from the free throw line, when no one is gaurding him and the shot is significantly closer?

                              and i am suppose to believe that Rush is a consistent shooter, yet he can barely make 6 of 10 free throws.

                              okay.. apparently good shooters in the nba knock down 42 percent from three but make only 60 percent of their free throws.

                              its evident to me, if rush attempted anywhere near the 3's that granger or dunleavy averages his shooting percentage would drop significantly. if rush were actually more aggressive with his shot instead of simply shooting when he is wide open and stationary then his percentage would drop..

                              give Granger the open looks that rush gets and Grangers 3 pt percentage would skyrocket to over 50 percent easily.

                              ive said it before, and im gonna say it again, rush is not a consistently accurate 3 pt shooter regardless of how many yes votes there are on this thread; at least not at this point in his career anyways.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Is Brandon Rush a consistent 3 point threat

                                Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
                                Just to commpare him to some of the great 3pt shooters in the league..

                                Paul Pierce 09-10 .414 3pt%
                                Brandon Rush 09-10 .411
                                Troy Murphy 09-10 .384
                                Ray Allen 09-10 .363

                                Brandon was 14th in the league in 3pt FG% with a minimum 50 attempts.
                                I think Rush is more of a Kapono than a Pierce or Allen.

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