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    Potential trap game tonight against Wright State. They're probably the second best program in the Horizon and feature several upperclassmen. IU is much more talented, but we must take every opportunity we have to put this team away. We can't let them hang around.

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    Defensive intensity looks much improved so far. The offense looks anything but smooth. Some questionable charge calls...

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    They mentioned they don't like Hulls playing point guard because he is too hard on himself and is more relaxed off the ball so they have Verdell run the point...Um, what?

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    Hoosiers win 67-44. Pretty encouraging game all things considered. D was great. Offense needs some work. Still though, just laid a pretty good beat down on a team that has won 20 or more games something like 5 years in a row.

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    Nice win against Wright St. I believe they had a key player injured, but I'll take it!

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    They mentioned they don't like Hulls playing point guard because he is too hard on himself and is more relaxed off the ball so they have Verdell run the point...Um, what?
    That's a good thing. Not so much that Hulls is too hard on himself, but that kid is not a point guard. He picks up his dribble too much and doesn't really make anything happen. He is better suited as a spot shooter. Verdell handles the ball better and can actually create offense for himself. I like the move.

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    Huls is absolutely a point guard. He's the best passer on the team by a mile.

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    Huls is absolutely a point guard. He's the best passer on the team by a mile.
    So what? Roy might be the best passer on the Pacers, but that doesn't make him a point guard. Hulls has lackluster handles, relatively poor decision making, and as I mentioned earlier, the inexplicable need to pick up his dribble way too early. He can't create his own shots, he's too small and too unathletic to make things happen. He is at his best when he is camped out at the three point line waiting to cath and shoot. Technically, he is a point guard. In practice, he is better off playing as the shooting guard on offense.

    I'm not criticizing Hulls--he is what he is. I like him when he is utilized correctly. His dead-eye three point shooting is going to be incredibly important to us once we get out of the creampuff portion of our schedule.

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    I don't know...I think Hulls will end up being a Travis Diener type role for us. He does pick up his dribble too early, I disagree on his decision making though, he's absolutely at his best when we're in the open court running the break. I want the ball in his hands. Now in the half court, he does have some struggles, but I'd rather work that out than play him as an undersized 2. Just my 2 cents.

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    I don't know...I think Hulls will end up being a Travis Diener type role for us. He does pick up his dribble too early, I disagree on his decision making though, he's absolutely at his best when we're in the open court running the break. I want the ball in his hands. Now in the half court, he does have some struggles, but I'd rather work that out than play him as an undersized 2. Just my 2 cents.
    He doesn't play as an undersized 2. The role in the offense he plays in more shooting guard than point guard. He still guards the opposing team's point guard and he is still guarded by the opposing team's point guard. The only thing that changes is his role in the half court offense.

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    I'm thinking more down the road than this season. It works OK now because you have Verdell, but Verdell will be gone after next season, so admittedly Hulls can fix all the things that hurt him in the half court offense.

    I definitely want to see him having the ball in his hands though in the fast break. He is our best decision maker at that point IMO. Certainly better than Jones who at one point yesterday had 0 assists and 3 turnovers.

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    I'm thinking more down the road than this season. It works OK now because you have Verdell, but Verdell will be gone after next season, so admittedly Hulls can fix all the things that hurt him in the half court offense.

    I definitely want to see him having the ball in his hands though in the fast break. He is our best decision maker at that point IMO. Certainly better than Jones who at one point yesterday had 0 assists and 3 turnovers.
    I'm fine with him handling the ball on the break. It's the half court offense that I am talking about.

    I think this is why Crean has been recruiting point guards, and why I think Yogi is so critical for our team. I think Hulls can learn to be a good game manager, but he isn't much of a playmaker in our half court offense. In college, you need guys who handle the ball a lot to be able to make plays.

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    Well Yogi certainly is a very skilled player. The fact he is ranked so high at only 5'11" reflects that.

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    Well Yogi certainly is a very skilled player. The fact he is ranked so high at only 5'11" reflects that.
    Actually, from people who have seen him play, they say that Darren Collison isn't a bad comparison.

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    Actually, from people who have seen him play, they say that Darren Collison isn't a bad comparison.
    I'd be fine with that.

    I've seen some video of him, but not live yet.

    My point in general though is that high school recruiting tends to give a big bump to size over skill. Thus why Oden was always ranked higher than Conley, but anyone that ever saw Lawrence North play could see that Conley was the reason they were so unbeatable. Reflected in the fact that LN had a losing record when Conley missed games in high school.

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    Hulls has certainly looked like a PG tonight adding to his arsenal of sick passes.

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    Some of these passes from Hulls have been absurd.

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    Hulls has certainly looked like a PG tonight adding to his arsenal of sick passes.
    Yeah, he really has. Looks a lot more comfortable out there. I was really impressed with his handles tonight. I love the progress I've seen out of our sophomores this season, minus Creek, who looks about 70%. And the freshmen look great. Oladipo was +30 (!!!) tonight.

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    Sheehey looked fantastic tonight.

    I'm a little worried about Mo. I don't think he'll ever be the player he could have been which is a damn shame. Really saddens me. He could have been great. Now I think his ceiling is more Rod Wilmont than AJ Guyton.

    Verdell has to cut back on his turnovers. 7 is a ridiculous number.

    Watford has legitimately become a beast.

    First time 3-0 in the Crean era. And this Miss Valley State team played Georgia to a two point game on the road last week, so their press is definitely a pesky test. Glad to see we passed.

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    Sheehey looked fantastic tonight.

    I'm a little worried about Mo. I don't think he'll ever be the player he could have been which is a damn shame. Really saddens me. He could have been great. Now I think his ceiling is more Rod Wilmont than AJ Guyton.

    Verdell has to cut back on his turnovers. 7 is a ridiculous number.

    Watford has legitimately become a beast.

    First time 3-0 in the Crean era. And this Miss Valley State team played Georgia to a two point game on the road last week, so their press is definitely a pesky test. Glad to see we passed.
    Dang didn't realize Verdell had 7 TOs. Yeah he needs to cut down on those.

    I think Creek will be fine eventually. I think we will see him find his stride (health permitting, of course) when we are four or five games into the Big Ten schedule.

    Watford has become a beast. He is still going to get his shot blocked a lot when we face bigger teams, but he has made a leap.

    If we don't have GMM back by the time we play Ohio State, they are going to absolutely murder us inside. Bigger teams are still going to tear us apart. GMM might not be a world breaker, but he is vital to this teams' success in the B10.

    And I think that team we played tonight blew. They looked really awful to me. Next game is Sunday versus...the mighty PURPLE ACES!!! Woohoo! I will be in attendance for that one. Being from Evansville, that raping of the Aces will be a great treat for me.

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    They weren't talented, but they were scrappy and had great motors. Didn't have anything even resembling an offensive game plan though. Georgia has a very good team also. Athletic, pressing teams like that can be a pain.

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    Oh and who knows about Guy. The NCAA is really yanking us around with that, he played 5 games in Europe with some guys that might have been pros and during those 5 games he played a total of 2 minutes on the court. It seems pretty cut and dry to me, but who knows.

    I just wish they would hurry up and make their decision as it isn't fair to Guy or us to drag it out like this.

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    I haven't gotten the chance to see any games yet, but I feel positive about the way things are going and they way coach Crean runs the team. He will have us back to where we should be as a power in the big ten soon. He'll do it the right way as well.

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    Sad news today, Former Hoosier AJ Moye, who is best remembered for being the fire off of IU's bench during the run to the 2002 National Championship game, suffered a stroke while playing in Germany this week. He collided heads with another player and symptoms worsened as the day went on before he finally suffered a stroke.

    He is in the hospital now and there is no news on his condition or prognosis.



    He is probably most famous for blocking the ***** out of Carlos Boozer in 2002 to help IU move on to the Elite Eight. He also hit the game clinching free throws with 11 seconds left to make sure that Jason Williams three would prove to be irrelevant. Perhaps the most exciting basketball game I've ever watched.




    "That block, it kind of amazed me," Moye said. "I thought he
    was going to dunk it. I was up so high, I felt I might as well
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    Pray for him Hoosier Nation! The man left everything on the floor for us.
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    Terrible news about AJ Moye. One of my all-time favorite Hoosiers. I hope he pulls through this alright.

    Seeing these pictures of Moye reminds me of just how awesome our uniforms used to be. I loved those uniforms. The new ones this year (and every year that we have been with bush league Adidas) suck. This year's are especially awful. They look like some ****ty replica uniform you buy at TIS or something. Please Indiana, go back to Nike. Adidas ****ing sucks.

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