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I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

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  • #31
    Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    Rush average 9.4 points in his second year in the NBA and Mike average 9.9 points last year in his 8th season, yeah give me Rush.
    ya rush plays defense and can spreads the floor give me Rush and paul as his backup.

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    • #32
      Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
      All i know is that Defense wins chapionships and Dunleavy doesnt play defense
      IMO, Dun plays good defense. He has good hands in the passing lane and he's long enough to alter shots. He may not be as good as an on ball defender as Rush, but Dun compensates with his high awareness (much higher then Rush).
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      • #33
        Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

        i think the sg position is up for grabs i mean everyone plays the weakness of the other

        like dunleavy is a better shooter than rush but rush is a far better defender

        george on the otherhand is still young and new to the team and the nba so i dont think hes ready quite yet so it will come down to dunleavy and rush

        when rush cant shoot or has a big game the other night and goes 0 points im so freakin angry i mean how is that possible how can someone go from being on fire to being ice cold
        In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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        • #34
          Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

          Originally posted by Thoreau87 View Post
          IMO, Dun plays good defense. He has good hands in the passing lane and he's long enough to alter shots. He may not be as good as an on ball defender as Rush, but Dun compensates with his high awareness (much higher then Rush).
          im tired of hearing about awareness. he gets beat constanly by his man which leads to dribble pentration by the other team. Whuch leads our bigs to bail us out which normal refers to fouls. We make so many unnessicary fouls because of our premiter defense.

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          • #35
            Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            Rush average 9.4 points in his second year in the NBA and Mike average 9.9 points last year in his 8th season, yeah give me Rush.
            Mike wasn't healthy last season. His leg strength was way down, and he couldn't practice last season.

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            • #36
              Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

              Mike has been playing very well. He should most definitely start. He's excellent at positioning himself to take charges. he makes so many hi IQ plays. I don't understand the Dunleavy hate that's goin on.
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              • #37
                Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

                Originally posted by Diamond Dave View Post
                I'm not sure what makes you think Brandon could average "at least" 11 points a game. He only averaged 9.4 pts per game last year at 30mpg.
                Also he only brought 4 rpg and 1.7 apg. Granted, its only 3 games, but Dunleavy pulling down nearly 7 rpg.

                Because he shoots a higher percentage from 2 and from 3?? That's a pretty big reason. Rush doesn't produce, not because he doesn't have the ability, it's because he doesn't fit into the system. And I know you're going to think "Here we go again" but I'm not going to go on a JOb rant. Promise.

                But the fact still remains, that most of us think Jim will be gone by the end of the year. And for that matter, Dunleavy will be gone too. Unless he's signed really, REALLY cheaply, and I just don't see it happening.

                So we have a player that doesn't fit a system, and the system will change. We also have a player that does fit the system, who is in their last year with the team.

                Let's be 100% honest. Does anyone really think replacing Mike with Brandon will cost them a ton of games? I think when you start making a list on the reasons why the Pacers will have a extremely successful season, (which my only requirement for that is making the playoffs) Mike being your starting 2guard is about #10 on the list.

                He's just not that important of a piece for success. Sure, he plays good off ball defense. But he plays just as bad on ball defense, and quite frankly, they're a wash. Sure he might pick up a charge here or there, but he still gets beat extremely easily. On the flip side, Brandon's on ball defense is extremely good, and the stats have been given numerous times to back that statement up.

                And his off the ball defense, isn't *BAD* either. While he might not make all the correct rotations, he atleast has the phsyical capacity to do so. Plus, he's an extremely intelligent player that definately has the mental ability to pick up the finer details.




                All I am saying is this. If Mike Dunleavy makes or breaks your season, you're in a world of hurt. I would rank him about #8 on importance of productive seasons from players. Roy, Danny, DC, Tyler, Josh, Paul and probably TJ/AJ are more important positions. The first 3 no questions asked, the next need to be productive in their own ways to make the other three's efforts not in vain. Gotta have scoring from Tyler, gotta have good play from TJ/AJ and we have to get defense and rebounding from Josh.

                I think with how good Roy and Danny are, and how good I expect DC to be, there isn't a whole lot of requirement needed as the SG. To be the team we expect them too be, Paul developing into a stud, hopefully, will be the missing piece, IMHO. Which is why I rank him so high.

                You're just not losing much by getting 2pts less a game, while shooting a better percentage to get it. Plus you get better defense, which is what they really need.

                Scoring isn't an issue. The Pacers have, and will continue, to be able to put the ball in the basket.
                Last edited by Since86; 11-02-2010, 04:19 PM.
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                • #38
                  Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

                  Originally posted by Robert Swift View Post
                  i think the sg position is up for grabs i mean everyone plays the weakness of the other

                  like dunleavy is a better shooter than rush but rush is a far better defender

                  george on the otherhand is still young and new to the team and the nba so i dont think hes ready quite yet so it will come down to dunleavy and rush

                  when rush cant shoot or has a big game the other night and goes 0 points im so freakin angry
                  idk about that mike is a careear 35% 3pt shooter 43% overall

                  Rush is 39% from 3 and 42% overall so they are about the same

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                  • #39
                    Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

                    does rush not care to work on his shooting

                    he shoots too slow and needs to work on catch and shoot with out thinking

                    thats what a wing player is supposed to do granger does it george does it dunleavy does it but why not rush hes played this game long enough to know how to shoot the basketball
                    In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                    • #40
                      Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

                      Originally posted by Robert Swift View Post
                      does rush not care to work on his shooting

                      he shoots too slow and needs to work on catch and shoot with out thinking

                      thats what a wing player is supposed to do granger does it george does it dunleavy does it but why not rush hes played this game long enough to know how to shoot the basketball
                      refer to my post below Rush is just as good as shooter as Mike he just doesnt shoot to much.

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                      • #41
                        Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns


                        http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...03011&old_bs=1




                        Seems to me that there's an awful lot selective criticism regarding Mike's shooting effort on Saturday night. Granger's 2-7 3 point in the same game doesn't seem to be all that much better.

                        Back to lurk mode.
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                        • #42
                          Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

                          Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
                          Rush shot 41% from three last year. The other team's defense HAS to respect his ability to shoot the ball. The idea that we are playing 4 on 5 with him on the floor is just flat out incorrect. He isn't Jeff Foster.
                          Rush also only averaged 8.6 shots per game last year, of which 3.7 of those were 3pt attempts. This is virtually all he does. Some players have made a career from being nothing but 3pt specialists. However that only works for the team when these specialists are placed next to ultra stars that require constant double teams. We don't have one of those. Plus honestly even if we did, watching one player play offense while 4 guys stand around the 3 trying to spread the floor and wait for kick outs is just boring as hell.
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                          • #43
                            Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            Mike wasn't healthy last season. His leg strength was way down, and he couldn't practice last season.
                            Rush had a knee surgery in college how we know he is not afraid of getting hurt again.(same excuse)
                            Last edited by vnzla81; 11-02-2010, 04:25 PM.
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                            • #44
                              Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

                              Originally posted by Reeder View Post

                              http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...03011&old_bs=1




                              Seems to me that there's an awful lot selective criticism regarding Mike's shooting effort on Saturday night. Granger's 2-7 3 point in the same game doesn't seem to be all that much better.

                              Back to lurk mode.
                              he is the star u want him shooting mike shoulnt shoot much if he is having an off night.

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                              • #45
                                Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

                                Originally posted by Reeder View Post

                                http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...03011&old_bs=1





                                Seems to me that there's an awful lot selective criticism regarding Mike's shooting effort on Saturday night. Granger's 2-7 3 point in the same game doesn't seem to be all that much better.

                                Back to lurk mode.
                                Hammer don't hurt'em. Mike had some open 3's, none were forced. It was an off night. In my first post, I already stated that Mike is undoubtably a streaky shooter. And yes streaks exist. Another night he will hit 4 out of 7 and would've had a 20 plus game.
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