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    Infinite MAN_force your avatar is really funny and it goes great because of his lack of defense

    im glad murphy isnt a pacer anymore maybe you should make one for mike dunleavy
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    Well Mike is been here for three years and I have seen that happening many times, the only difference now is that we don't have Murphy anymore to blame him for the lost.

    Mike is as bad as a defender as Murphy, he used to be better but now after the surgery he got even worse(he is equal now)

    Edit: also Mike was shooting the pacers out of the game in the last three games, his missed shots are the main reason why the Sixers stay in the game.
    yes you have that right

    its unfortunate that dunleavy randomly had a bad knee problem otherwise he would still be a great player

    i wonder if a guy like michael redd who had the same knee problem as dunleavy will be good again

    redd was always a better player anyway so i think he might the bucks are lucky
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    All i know is that Defense wins chapionships and Dunleavy doesnt play defense
    That just isn't true, I think Mike's team defense which I consider to be 50% of "defense" is as good as any player on the Pacers team.

    And I fully expect Mike's three point shooting to rise to around 40% before too much longer.

    As long as Mike can physically play around 32 minutes per game, I would like to see hiom play between 30-34 minutes per night. if we play the heat with Wade and lebron at the 2 and 3, then sure play Mike maybe 25 minutes and play Rush more to help defend one of those two guys. but if the opponent doesn't have a a good scorer at the two or three, then I say play Mike 32 minutes.
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    I'm not sure what makes you think Brandon could average "at least" 11 points a game. He only averaged 9.4 pts per game last year at 30mpg.
    Also he only brought 4 rpg and 1.7 apg. Granted, its only 3 games, but Dunleavy pulling down nearly 7 rpg.

    Even though, I'll argue Mike has better stats, its not about stats. If Rush isn't shooting a 3, he is not participating in the offense. No cuts, no movement, nothing. In fact, his man gets to take each play off on defense. Or at least I hope he does, because otherwise we're playing 4 on 5.

    You are correct, Mike will never average 19ppg again. But I think he will end this year averaging 13 to 15. But Mike doesn't need to score to be effective. His motion helps the offense, it causes late rotations and switches allowing someone to capitalize. Until I see something different, IMO, Rush only contributes on that end of the floor if he hits an open 3.
    Rush average 9.4 points in his second year in the NBA and Mike average 9.9 points last year in his 8th season, yeah give me Rush.

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    yes you have that right

    its unfortunate that dunleavy randomly had a bad knee problem otherwise he would still be a great player

    i wonder if a guy like michael redd who had the same knee problem as dunleavy will be good again

    redd was always a better player anyway so i think he might the bucks are lucky
    i agree 100% mike tries but just isnt good on defense anymore which is kind of sad. If this was 3yrs ago and he was still lateral quick enoght i woulnt have a problem with him starting but he is not.

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    Rush average 9.4 points in his second year in the NBA and Mike average 9.9 points last year in his 8th season, yeah give me Rush.
    ya rush plays defense and can spreads the floor give me Rush and paul as his backup.

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    All i know is that Defense wins chapionships and Dunleavy doesnt play defense
    IMO, Dun plays good defense. He has good hands in the passing lane and he's long enough to alter shots. He may not be as good as an on ball defender as Rush, but Dun compensates with his high awareness (much higher then Rush).

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    i think the sg position is up for grabs i mean everyone plays the weakness of the other

    like dunleavy is a better shooter than rush but rush is a far better defender

    george on the otherhand is still young and new to the team and the nba so i dont think hes ready quite yet so it will come down to dunleavy and rush

    when rush cant shoot or has a big game the other night and goes 0 points im so freakin angry i mean how is that possible how can someone go from being on fire to being ice cold
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    IMO, Dun plays good defense. He has good hands in the passing lane and he's long enough to alter shots. He may not be as good as an on ball defender as Rush, but Dun compensates with his high awareness (much higher then Rush).
    im tired of hearing about awareness. he gets beat constanly by his man which leads to dribble pentration by the other team. Whuch leads our bigs to bail us out which normal refers to fouls. We make so many unnessicary fouls because of our premiter defense.

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    Rush average 9.4 points in his second year in the NBA and Mike average 9.9 points last year in his 8th season, yeah give me Rush.
    Mike wasn't healthy last season. His leg strength was way down, and he couldn't practice last season.

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    Mike has been playing very well. He should most definitely start. He's excellent at positioning himself to take charges. he makes so many hi IQ plays. I don't understand the Dunleavy hate that's goin on.
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    I'm not sure what makes you think Brandon could average "at least" 11 points a game. He only averaged 9.4 pts per game last year at 30mpg.
    Also he only brought 4 rpg and 1.7 apg. Granted, its only 3 games, but Dunleavy pulling down nearly 7 rpg.

    Because he shoots a higher percentage from 2 and from 3?? That's a pretty big reason. Rush doesn't produce, not because he doesn't have the ability, it's because he doesn't fit into the system. And I know you're going to think "Here we go again" but I'm not going to go on a JOb rant. Promise.

    But the fact still remains, that most of us think Jim will be gone by the end of the year. And for that matter, Dunleavy will be gone too. Unless he's signed really, REALLY cheaply, and I just don't see it happening.

    So we have a player that doesn't fit a system, and the system will change. We also have a player that does fit the system, who is in their last year with the team.

    Let's be 100% honest. Does anyone really think replacing Mike with Brandon will cost them a ton of games? I think when you start making a list on the reasons why the Pacers will have a extremely successful season, (which my only requirement for that is making the playoffs) Mike being your starting 2guard is about #10 on the list.

    He's just not that important of a piece for success. Sure, he plays good off ball defense. But he plays just as bad on ball defense, and quite frankly, they're a wash. Sure he might pick up a charge here or there, but he still gets beat extremely easily. On the flip side, Brandon's on ball defense is extremely good, and the stats have been given numerous times to back that statement up.

    And his off the ball defense, isn't *BAD* either. While he might not make all the correct rotations, he atleast has the phsyical capacity to do so. Plus, he's an extremely intelligent player that definately has the mental ability to pick up the finer details.




    All I am saying is this. If Mike Dunleavy makes or breaks your season, you're in a world of hurt. I would rank him about #8 on importance of productive seasons from players. Roy, Danny, DC, Tyler, Josh, Paul and probably TJ/AJ are more important positions. The first 3 no questions asked, the next need to be productive in their own ways to make the other three's efforts not in vain. Gotta have scoring from Tyler, gotta have good play from TJ/AJ and we have to get defense and rebounding from Josh.

    I think with how good Roy and Danny are, and how good I expect DC to be, there isn't a whole lot of requirement needed as the SG. To be the team we expect them too be, Paul developing into a stud, hopefully, will be the missing piece, IMHO. Which is why I rank him so high.

    You're just not losing much by getting 2pts less a game, while shooting a better percentage to get it. Plus you get better defense, which is what they really need.

    Scoring isn't an issue. The Pacers have, and will continue, to be able to put the ball in the basket.
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    i think the sg position is up for grabs i mean everyone plays the weakness of the other

    like dunleavy is a better shooter than rush but rush is a far better defender

    george on the otherhand is still young and new to the team and the nba so i dont think hes ready quite yet so it will come down to dunleavy and rush

    when rush cant shoot or has a big game the other night and goes 0 points im so freakin angry
    idk about that mike is a careear 35% 3pt shooter 43% overall

    Rush is 39% from 3 and 42% overall so they are about the same

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    does rush not care to work on his shooting

    he shoots too slow and needs to work on catch and shoot with out thinking

    thats what a wing player is supposed to do granger does it george does it dunleavy does it but why not rush hes played this game long enough to know how to shoot the basketball
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    does rush not care to work on his shooting

    he shoots too slow and needs to work on catch and shoot with out thinking

    thats what a wing player is supposed to do granger does it george does it dunleavy does it but why not rush hes played this game long enough to know how to shoot the basketball
    refer to my post below Rush is just as good as shooter as Mike he just doesnt shoot to much.

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    Seems to me that there's an awful lot selective criticism regarding Mike's shooting effort on Saturday night. Granger's 2-7 3 point in the same game doesn't seem to be all that much better.

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    Rush shot 41% from three last year. The other team's defense HAS to respect his ability to shoot the ball. The idea that we are playing 4 on 5 with him on the floor is just flat out incorrect. He isn't Jeff Foster.
    Rush also only averaged 8.6 shots per game last year, of which 3.7 of those were 3pt attempts. This is virtually all he does. Some players have made a career from being nothing but 3pt specialists. However that only works for the team when these specialists are placed next to ultra stars that require constant double teams. We don't have one of those. Plus honestly even if we did, watching one player play offense while 4 guys stand around the 3 trying to spread the floor and wait for kick outs is just boring as hell.
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    Mike wasn't healthy last season. His leg strength was way down, and he couldn't practice last season.
    Rush had a knee surgery in college how we know he is not afraid of getting hurt again.(same excuse)
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    Seems to me that there's an awful lot selective criticism regarding Mike's shooting effort on Saturday night. Granger's 2-7 3 point in the same game doesn't seem to be all that much better.

    Back to lurk mode.
    he is the star u want him shooting mike shoulnt shoot much if he is having an off night.

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    Seems to me that there's an awful lot selective criticism regarding Mike's shooting effort on Saturday night. Granger's 2-7 3 point in the same game doesn't seem to be all that much better.

    Back to lurk mode.
    Hammer don't hurt'em. Mike had some open 3's, none were forced. It was an off night. In my first post, I already stated that Mike is undoubtably a streaky shooter. And yes streaks exist. Another night he will hit 4 out of 7 and would've had a 20 plus game.
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    Rush had a knee surgery in college how we know he is not afraid of getting hurt again.(same thing)
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    refer to my post below Rush is just as good as shooter as Mike he just doesnt shoot to much.
    rush is a decent shooter but needs to shoot more

    it seems like if he misses just 1 3 point attempt he stops shooting

    i like rush and i want him to start. in fact hes one of my favorite pacers along with granger of course but theres something about his offense that isnt right and it annoys me

    he never gets to the free throw line and needs to learn to be aggressive and just dribble towards the hoop

    a rotation of rush and george at sg is young but both guys are good enough to play the position
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    rush is a decent shooter but needs to shoot more

    it seems like if he misses just 1 3 point attempt he stops shooting

    i like rush and i want him to start. in fact hes one of my favorite pacers along with granger of course but theres something about his offense that isnt right and it annoys me

    he never gets to the free throw line and needs to learn to be aggressive and just dribble towards the hoop
    in the pre season he looked like he is getting more agressive but idk. We need Rush's defense to win games.

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    Seems to me that there's an awful lot selective criticism regarding Mike's shooting effort on Saturday night. Granger's 2-7 3 point in the same game doesn't seem to be all that much better.

    Back to lurk mode.
    And yet Danny is still shooting 45.8% from 3 through the first 3 games.

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    Plus, he's an extremely intelligent player that definately has the mental ability to pick up the finer details.

    You're just not losing much by getting 2pts less a game, while shooting a better percentage to get it. Plus you get better defense, which is what they really need.

    Scoring isn't an issue. The Pacers have, and will continue, to be able to put the ball in the basket.
    First I don't agree that he is an intelligent player at all. We will just have to agree to disagree here as until someone develops a standardized basketball intelligence test we're stuck with our opinions.

    Next, this whole thread has been about me expressing that Mike Dunleavy provides the Pacers with more points even if he is not scoring. His movement opens up opportunities for other players. Causes defenses to get lost and break down. He may not be the one that scores, but often is the reason a player got a good shot.

    So, IMO, we're not just talking about 2 points. I'm not sure anyone can argue that Brandon Rush's presence on the offensive side of the floor makes anyone better. He only contributes to the score if he is actually scoring.

    Also, barring injury or a significant reduction in minutes, I will take the KStat Oath that I will eat my shoe if Dunleavy ends the year averaging 11 points or less.
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