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    Seems that everyone is on a Pacer high right now. Deservedly so, including myself. However save for a couple of posters, it seems Mike Dunleavy continues to be thrown under the bus. Undeservedly so.

    In fact, I've read many posts longing for the return of Rush. This puzzles me as I have watched every game Brandon Rush has played in as a Pacer and while he has some value, IMO, he has some serious flaws that has me only looking forward to his return if he plays in a defensive special weapon role off the bench.

    I first was going reply several times in several threads explaining why, thus far, we should all be pleased with Mike. Then I decided that I actually had quite a few things to say on the subject.

    So in honor of my father I've decided to compare both players in a "Good, Bad, and Ugly" format, oh and also in honor of my father here is dancing banana

    The Good

    Mike Dunleavy is an excellent facilitator of what I call "good" basketball. Mike moves very well without the ball. Makes quick decisions with the ball either shooting, driving or passing. Often cuts and makes his defender work to keep up. He does not allow the offense to stagnate by standing still. If you watch basketball at any level, hell even play pickup bball, the teams that win are the ones that commit to defense and MOVE on offense. Pacer fans of all people should appreciate this as this was Reggie's BEST skill.

    Mike is a legit 6'9, maybe 6'10, player with the skill set of a 6'6 player. This has advantages for obvious reasons. But in addition to solid ball handling, passing and court vision. Mike uses his height to pull down very solid rebounding numbers from the SG position.

    Mike has the ability to score in many capacities. He can spot up shoot, drive, get to the line, and is probably 2nd only to Granger at shooting off a screen. Mike, save for the SA game, has proven to be quality FT shooter for his career.

    Now on to Brandon. Brandon, bar none, is THE best perimeter defender on the team. I feel 100 percent at ease with him guarding anyone in the league on an isolation play save for the few in the league that no one can stop ie Kobe, Lebron, Wade.

    Brandon has more physical tools than Mike, other than height. Brandon is stronger and faster (more laterally, not so much in a fast break situation). Brandon has shown to have mostly consistent 3 point shooting ability.

    The Bad

    Mike Dunleavy is a streaky shooter. He can always be counted on to suffer through a couple of slumps a year. And while his endurance is improved from last season, I no longer think Mike can play at the same level past about 33 min per game. After that you can really begin to tell Mike's legs are wearing down and his game overall suffers.

    Mike defense is known to be pourous. In fact, up until this season, I would have listed this in the "ugly" category. However, I have seen solid respectable individual D from him thus far and even better team D. Mike cannot, nor ever will be able too guard other teams best wing player very well.

    However, not many teams have two strong slashers. Still, and you must see Mike in person to appreciate this, he has bulked up considerably. This will help his defense. Last year you could beat Mike with speed or power. Well the older you get, and after knee operations, its harder to get faster. So it appears Mike has worked on not getting overpowered. So as long as Mike isn't responsible for guarding the other team's best wing he will be okay. And he is very knowledgable when it comes to applying double teams, and he has quick hands so he often pokes the ball away from the weakside on slashers.

    For all the moving Mike does without the ball, Brandon Rush is equal and opposite reaction. Brandon has speed and leaping ability. He just chooses not to use it on offense. He is entirely too content to park on the side behind the 3 line and wait. Many times I forget Brandon is even in the game because he can just disappear for long periods at a time.

    Rarely will you see a cutting Brandon Rush. He has yet to show any decent passing ability as when he recieves the ball behind the line, if he doesn't shoot, he just passes right back to the guy who passed it to him.

    The Ugly

    Until I see something different, I will elevate Dunleavy's defense from this category. In fact the only thing I want to talk about in this category in relationship to Mike is that I'm not so sure how great of a teammate he is. Now I'm not in the locker room so I cant speak to this a lot of authority, and I don't believe that every player needs to be Mr. Rah Rah. But I often times do notice with a sour look on his face. He is not shy about harping on others for mistakes. Obviously if a player messes up, Mike should say something. However he does not seem so quick to congradulate others when they succeed. I may be reading too much into it but I worry about Mike not fitting in with the rest of the young and seemingly enthusiastic Pacers.

    That being said, Mike has never caused problems for the team off the court like Mr. Rush. Who has never seemed real excited to be anywhere. In fact he seems very relaxed and mellow.

    Regardless, I'm not actually that concerned with the off the court stuff for Rush. I'm much more concerned about him on the court. And of all the things that displease me with Brandon its this. Last year Brandon played in 82 games, averaged 30.4 min, and shot 89 FTs!!!!! If that wasn't bad enough, he only hit 56 of them for a staggering 62 percent!

    Here is a stat for you, Tyler Hansbrough played in 29 games last year, and shot 113 FT's. 24 more attempts than Brandon!!

    Actually Brandon has played in 157 games in his career. AND HAS ONLY ATTEMPTED 155 FREE THROWS!!!!! Unacceptable. A starting wing player has got to get to the line in this league. This indicates a helluva lot of standing around. Though this may be a blessing in disguise, as when Brandon goes to the line, statistically he will miss at least one!




    I will end saying that Brandon still has a place on this team. We could have used him on Ginobli in that first game. I want to use him in the way we were supposed to use Dahntay Jones. But until he shows an interest in participating in the offense I have no further need of him.

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    Default Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

    We don't need Mike, he is another trading piece this year that's it.

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    We don't need Mike, he is another trading piece this year that's it.
    I'd rather keep Mike and trade Brandon.

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    Default Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

    mike is a scrub he should sit next to posey and solo on the bench. Backup SF at best

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    We don't need Mike, he is another trading piece this year that's it.
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    mike is a scrub he should sit next to posey and solo on the bench. Backup SF at best
    This is all you guys have to say in response to that breakdown? Why not give some details on why you don't agree with DD rather than just spouting the same worn out phrases. WHY don't we need Mike - who is it that brings the same or better in all areas? WHY is Mike just a scrub - based on DD's post that's an awful high performance level from a scrub - and who is it that shows him up?
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    This is all you guys have to say in response to that breakdown? Why not give some details on why you don't agree with DD rather than just spouting the same worn out phrases. WHY don't we need Mike - who is it that brings the same or better in all areas? WHY is Mike just a scrub - based on DD's post that's an awful high performance level from a scrub - and who is it that shows him up?
    Yeah after those two gems filled with such intellect and substantiated counter points, they've left me with no choice but to put them on ignore so that I won't have to see them invalidate my thoughts.

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    Default Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

    Brandon's defense is going to be great to have back at the position, but for a few more games I think Mike should start and we'll see how we continue to play.

    I really want Paul to start in the long run.

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    Default Re: I still want Mike Dunleavy to start once Rush returns

    I do also want him to start. Mike is what I call a glue guy. He makes things work, he makes the other players better and typically you don't realize what he is doing until he is out of the game and then you wonder why the pacers aren't playing as well.

    I also want George to get more minutes than Rush. I only want Ruch to play in special defensive situations. (although I understand George is a rookie and will struggle at times, so hopsefully Rush will be ready on those occasions
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    I do also want him to start. Mike is what I call a glue guy. He makes things work, he makes the other players better and typically you don't realize what he is doing until he is out of the game and then you wonder why the pacers aren't playing as well.
    He is a glue guy until you are getting blowout every game and his guy is scoring 20+ points on him.

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    He is a glue guy until you are getting blowout every game and his guy is scoring 20+ points on him.
    OK, let me know when that happens, because I have not seen it yet.

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    OK, let me know when that happens, because I have not seen it yet.
    rewatch the spurs game when mike goes out manu doesnt score much. But when mike was in manu lite him up.

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    rewatch the spurs game when mike goes out manu doesnt score much. But when mike was in manu lite him up.
    You're allowing your eyes to play tricks with you. Manu scored once or twice on Dunleavy, at most.

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    I wouldn't mess up with the rotation without a good reason either. That's one of the biggest problems the Pacers had last season, too many changes.

    Let Rush play some minutes as the 4th wing, give time and space for the other guys to figure it out, to settle into their roles - let players earn/lose rotation spots due to consistent good/bad play. If Rush plays up to his ability, he'll eventually earn more minutes, but let him show he can beat someone first.

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    OK, let me know when that happens, because I have not seen it yet.
    Well Mike is been here for three years and I have seen that happening many times, the only difference now is that we don't have Murphy anymore to blame him for the lost.

    Mike is as bad as a defender as Murphy, he used to be better but now after the surgery he got even worse(he is equal now)

    Edit: also Mike was shooting the pacers out of the game in the last three games, his missed shots are the main reason why the Sixers stay in the game.
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    Well Mike is been here for three years and I have seen that happening many times, the only difference now is that we don't have Murphy anymore to blame him for the lost.

    Mike is as bad as a defender as Murphy, he used to be better but now after the surgery he got even worse(he is equal now)

    Edit: also Mike was shooting the pacers out of the game in the last three games, his missed shots are the main reason why the Sixers stay in the game.
    yes you have that right

    its unfortunate that dunleavy randomly had a bad knee problem otherwise he would still be a great player

    i wonder if a guy like michael redd who had the same knee problem as dunleavy will be good again

    redd was always a better player anyway so i think he might the bucks are lucky
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    He is a glue guy until you are getting blowout every game and his guy is scoring 20+ points on him.
    LOL 1000% right manu was making mike look silly

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    I do also want him to start. Mike is what I call a glue guy. He makes things work, he makes the other players better and typically you don't realize what he is doing until he is out of the game and then you wonder why the pacers aren't playing as well.
    I lean towards this school of thought, as well.

    Does Mike have every quality that we would want to see out of our starting SG? As DD's summary explains very well, no. Is he the best that we currently have to start at the position? Yes, he is.

    I believe that some have such love for our younger players and such disdain for Dunleavy's present salary that they don't give Dunleavy a fair shot.

    I have no doubt that over time with ample experience that George will become a more valuable player for the Pacers. I don't know that George will ever have Dunleavy's knowledge for the game, but I suspect that he will become a very good scorer and a much better man-on-man defender than Dunleavy.

    If Rush were more aggressive offensively, no make that MUCH more aggressive offensively, he could also become a more valuable player for the Pacers than Dunleavy. Unfortunately, Rush has McKey syndrome, or as Peck would put it, Popeye syndrome... "I am what I am, and that's all that I am!" Rush is a great defensive player that is capable and willing to show his aggression defensively, but for some reason rarely completely engages on the offensive end of the floor. It's like he is afraid to "put himself out there"... perhaps he is afraid of overstepping his bounds in the pecking order or of making mistakes. All I know is that it drives me nuts... it's like he's holding back and no one is able to get him to let it out.

    With Rush's defensive abilities and perimeter shooting abilities, he could always have a place on the team as a specialist. But he could be so much more. But until he is willing to take the risk of possibly making a few oncourt mistakes, he will never come close to approaching his full potential.

    So for what it's worth, I am perfectly happy to go primarliy with Dunleavy until one of three things happens:
    1. George matures to a point that his game is better than Dunleavy's.
    2. The light goes off for Rush on the offensive end of the court.
    3. The Pacers trade for a better SG or sign one through free agency.

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    While I like Mike, I just don't think he brings anything to the table that can't either be bettered or replaced.

    He's only averaging 11pts while shooting 40% from the field. Surely Brandon can atleast average that, this year, with better defense.


    Yes, he's a great cutter without the ball, and it leads to 2-3 layups a game, but I don't think those are unreplaceable scores.

    He's just not bringing anything special to the arena. If he was shooting around 60% while averaging 11pts, and that was because he was knocking down open shots and getting clean cuts, then okay, that's a lot better. But he's averaging those 11pts by taking 11 shots per game, and out of those 11 six per game are 3pt fg attempts. Ick.....

    Dunleavy averages 12pts per game for his entire career, and that's even with a 19pt season mixed in. The year that he was traded to Indy he averaged 14 with GSW and 11.4pts here. We shouldn't expect anymore. He's not going to bring 16pts per game, that's just not who he is, especially considering he's 3years removed from his 19pt season with major knee injury.

    As much as we complain about Rush's lack of production, he still has a very legit chance at becoming a lot better offensively. At the same time, if he merely remains the same, he's still giving pretty close production that Dunleavy brings.

    Mike just doesn't really bring a whole lot to the table. He's way more valuable as a trading piece than on-the-court production.

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    While I like Mike, I just don't think he brings anything to the table that can't either be bettered or replaced.

    He's only averaging 11pts while shooting 40% from the field. Surely Brandon can atleast average that, this year, with better defense.


    Yes, he's a great cutter without the ball, and it leads to 2-3 layups a game, but I don't think those are unreplaceable scores.

    He's just not bringing anything special to the arena. If he was shooting around 60% while averaging 11pts, and that was because he was knocking down open shots and getting clean cuts, then okay, that's a lot better. But he's averaging those 11pts by taking 11 shots per game, and out of those 11 six per game are 3pt fg attempts. Ick.....

    Dunleavy averages 12pts per game for his entire career, and that's even with a 19pt season mixed in. The year that he was traded to Indy he averaged 14 with GSW and 11.4pts here. We shouldn't expect anymore. He's not going to bring 16pts per game, that's just not who he is, especially considering he's 3years removed from his 19pt season with major knee injury.

    As much as we complain about Rush's lack of production, he still has a very legit chance at becoming a lot better offensively. At the same time, if he merely remains the same, he's still giving pretty close production that Dunleavy brings.

    Mike just doesn't really bring a whole lot to the table. He's way more valuable as a trading piece than on-the-court production.

    I'm not sure what makes you think Brandon could average "at least" 11 points a game. He only averaged 9.4 pts per game last year at 30mpg.
    Also he only brought 4 rpg and 1.7 apg. Granted, its only 3 games, but Dunleavy pulling down nearly 7 rpg.

    Even though, I'll argue Mike has better stats, its not about stats. If Rush isn't shooting a 3, he is not participating in the offense. No cuts, no movement, nothing. In fact, his man gets to take each play off on defense. Or at least I hope he does, because otherwise we're playing 4 on 5.

    You are correct, Mike will never average 19ppg again. But I think he will end this year averaging 13 to 15. But Mike doesn't need to score to be effective. His motion helps the offense, it causes late rotations and switches allowing someone to capitalize. Until I see something different, IMO, Rush only contributes on that end of the floor if he hits an open 3.
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    Even though, I'll argue Mike has better stats, its not about stats. If Rush isn't shooting a 3, he is not participating in the offense. No cuts, no movement, nothing. In fact, his man gets to take each play off on defense. Or at least I hope he does, because otherwise we're playing 4 on 5.
    Rush shot 41% from three last year. The other team's defense HAS to respect his ability to shoot the ball. The idea that we are playing 4 on 5 with him on the floor is just flat out incorrect. He isn't Jeff Foster.
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    Rush shot 41% from three last year. The other team's defense HAS to respect his ability to shoot the ball. The idea that we are playing 4 on 5 with him on the floor is just flat out incorrect. He isn't Jeff Foster.
    Rush also only averaged 8.6 shots per game last year, of which 3.7 of those were 3pt attempts. This is virtually all he does. Some players have made a career from being nothing but 3pt specialists. However that only works for the team when these specialists are placed next to ultra stars that require constant double teams. We don't have one of those. Plus honestly even if we did, watching one player play offense while 4 guys stand around the 3 trying to spread the floor and wait for kick outs is just boring as hell.
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    I'm not sure what makes you think Brandon could average "at least" 11 points a game. He only averaged 9.4 pts per game last year at 30mpg.
    Also he only brought 4 rpg and 1.7 apg. Granted, its only 3 games, but Dunleavy pulling down nearly 7 rpg.

    Even though, I'll argue Mike has better stats, its not about stats. If Rush isn't shooting a 3, he is not participating in the offense. No cuts, no movement, nothing. In fact, his man gets to take each play off on defense. Or at least I hope he does, because otherwise we're playing 4 on 5.

    You are correct, Mike will never average 19ppg again. But I think he will end this year averaging 13 to 15. But Mike doesn't need to score to be effective. His motion helps the offense, it causes late rotations and switches allowing someone to capitalize. Until I see something different, IMO, Rush only contributes on that end of the floor if he hits an open 3.
    Rush average 9.4 points in his second year in the NBA and Mike average 9.9 points last year in his 8th season, yeah give me Rush.

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    Rush average 9.4 points in his second year in the NBA and Mike average 9.9 points last year in his 8th season, yeah give me Rush.
    ya rush plays defense and can spreads the floor give me Rush and paul as his backup.

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    Rush average 9.4 points in his second year in the NBA and Mike average 9.9 points last year in his 8th season, yeah give me Rush.
    Mike wasn't healthy last season. His leg strength was way down, and he couldn't practice last season.

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    Mike wasn't healthy last season. His leg strength was way down, and he couldn't practice last season.
    Rush had a knee surgery in college how we know he is not afraid of getting hurt again.(same excuse)
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    I'm not sure what makes you think Brandon could average "at least" 11 points a game. He only averaged 9.4 pts per game last year at 30mpg.
    Also he only brought 4 rpg and 1.7 apg. Granted, its only 3 games, but Dunleavy pulling down nearly 7 rpg.

    Because he shoots a higher percentage from 2 and from 3?? That's a pretty big reason. Rush doesn't produce, not because he doesn't have the ability, it's because he doesn't fit into the system. And I know you're going to think "Here we go again" but I'm not going to go on a JOb rant. Promise.

    But the fact still remains, that most of us think Jim will be gone by the end of the year. And for that matter, Dunleavy will be gone too. Unless he's signed really, REALLY cheaply, and I just don't see it happening.

    So we have a player that doesn't fit a system, and the system will change. We also have a player that does fit the system, who is in their last year with the team.

    Let's be 100% honest. Does anyone really think replacing Mike with Brandon will cost them a ton of games? I think when you start making a list on the reasons why the Pacers will have a extremely successful season, (which my only requirement for that is making the playoffs) Mike being your starting 2guard is about #10 on the list.

    He's just not that important of a piece for success. Sure, he plays good off ball defense. But he plays just as bad on ball defense, and quite frankly, they're a wash. Sure he might pick up a charge here or there, but he still gets beat extremely easily. On the flip side, Brandon's on ball defense is extremely good, and the stats have been given numerous times to back that statement up.

    And his off the ball defense, isn't *BAD* either. While he might not make all the correct rotations, he atleast has the phsyical capacity to do so. Plus, he's an extremely intelligent player that definately has the mental ability to pick up the finer details.




    All I am saying is this. If Mike Dunleavy makes or breaks your season, you're in a world of hurt. I would rank him about #8 on importance of productive seasons from players. Roy, Danny, DC, Tyler, Josh, Paul and probably TJ/AJ are more important positions. The first 3 no questions asked, the next need to be productive in their own ways to make the other three's efforts not in vain. Gotta have scoring from Tyler, gotta have good play from TJ/AJ and we have to get defense and rebounding from Josh.

    I think with how good Roy and Danny are, and how good I expect DC to be, there isn't a whole lot of requirement needed as the SG. To be the team we expect them too be, Paul developing into a stud, hopefully, will be the missing piece, IMHO. Which is why I rank him so high.

    You're just not losing much by getting 2pts less a game, while shooting a better percentage to get it. Plus you get better defense, which is what they really need.

    Scoring isn't an issue. The Pacers have, and will continue, to be able to put the ball in the basket.
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