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    After signing center Al Horford to a contract extension on Monday, many around the league believe that the Hawks will make forward Josh Smith available via trade at midseason.
    Horford's new deal won't push Atlanta into luxury tax territory, but they are unlikely to be able to afford either a new deal for Jamal Crawford or a similar-salaried player.
    A number of teams, including the Knicks, Nets, Pistons and Suns, have shown interest in Smith in the past.








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    We obviously have the players to give them cap relief but they probably aren't the players they want and how does Josh fit in with this team?

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    Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

    We could do worse with our cap space but I'd he wouldn't be in my top 5 choices. I'd like us to use one of our expiring contracts for a pf that is more of a 4/5 then a 3/4. Another starting quality center that could play alongside Roy in a twin towers rotation would be perfect. If we're patient Memphis may not be able to offer Gasol the kind of contract he deserves under the new cba, or if the Clippers continue to play the way they have Kaman may be available by the deadline.
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      Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

      whether he comes to the pacers or not, josh smith will always be apart of the indiana family

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      • #4
        Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

        There is a short list of people I'd go after next season. These people are: (in no particular order)

        Josh Smith
        Marc Gasol
        Andrei Kirelinko
        Carl Landry
        Greg Oden
        Mario Chalmers

        That being said, I'm all for bringing in Josh Smith.
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        • #5
          Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

          He is a beast. he is only 6'9" but he plays much, much bigger. He scores, rebounds, plays defense, and blocks shots.

          That being said I am pretty happy with what we have. It would depend on where we are at at the trade deadline.

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          • #6
            Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

            While I would rather have Josh Smith over Jeff Green I still feel the same way about him on the Pacers...i'd rather have more size at the PF spot.

            Can Josh Smith guard Pau Gasol? Kevin Garnett? While a lot of teams are going small at the 4 spot I still believe teams that have a legit big man there will have a major advantage over teams who don't. Maybe I don't give him enough credit for his defense.

            I think Josh would make the Pacers better but I don't think he is the right answer for the Pacers at PF.

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            • #7
              Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

              I would love getting Josh, would be a great great addition and a future lineup of

              C - R. Hibbert
              PF - J. Smith
              SF - D. Granger
              SG - P. George
              PG - Collison

              + a bench of Tyler, McBob, AJ, Rush and even maybe someone like Jamal Crawford for instant scoring off the bench or another FA-signing in the offeason.
              Would be even more fun to watch the pacers (even though i like what I see so far in this season) and become a winning playoffteam for several seasons to come
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              • #8
                Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

                Originally posted by pacergod2 View Post
                ATL gets:

                Murphy
                2012 First Rounder Unprotected

                for

                IND gets:

                Josh Smith

                At the trade deadline. Hawks start out unusually slow. Not looking like a great playoff run. Trade of Josh Smith's talent for Troy Murphy's solid expiring. They don't resign Troy. Glad they can talk extension with Al Horford on a max extension (under the new CBA).

                Josh Smith makes all the difference in the world to this team. We need a slashing type of player who brings athleticism and defense getting 35 minutes a night on the floor. He can cut off the high post passing we are trying to establish for our young bigs. He rebounds the hell out of the weakside and will be amazing in cutting the weakside. I think using him on the weakside baseline at times from a high post entry would open him up to turning his defender around on the play.

                He would open up a lot of space when he moves because defenders will struggle to overcome his athleticism. Brandon and Danny would reap huge benefits with some perimeter cuts. He does the exact opposite for us than what Troy brings. He opens up perimeter movement whereas Troy clogs it up because the defenders know where he is going for the most part. He does have a nice pump fake though. It will be great in ATL.
                This is a trade proposal I started in July. I would swap out Mike Dunleavy now, which would still make sense for them after moving Horford to PF. Dunleavy can back up the wings and play significant minutes behind Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson. I don't think he would be a terrific fit with Jamal Crawford, but both expire after this year anyway.

                Not trying to make this a trade proposal thread, but I have thought this since last year, that they were going to have trouble re-signing all of their players and someone would have to be a cap casualty. I think Smith would be great for this team. He brings elite athleticism. He blocks a ton of shots. I think our team may lead the league in blocks between Hibbert, Smith, and Granger, plus JMac. Add in whatever we get out of our guards. We would contest every shot defensively. Smith rebounds the ball extremely well. I think Smith would cement our front court rotation to Hibbert, he, JMac, and Hansborough. JMac could slide over to backup center and still do the same things he does for us now. This would cut Solo, Posey, and Foster out of the rotation totally. The wing rotation would be Granger, Rush, and George, with Smith getting some spot minutes at SF, instead of using Granger at PF. I would love to see Smith, McRoberts and Hibbert in the lineup at the same time. JMac and Smith would be attacking the rim off of Hibbert high post passing. Plus McRoberts could be great in the high post when he is in with Smith. This would allow Jimmy to cut his rotation to 9 players and feel much more comfortable with those guys.

                Pianoman put up a solid list of players for us to consider. I just think most of our cap space will go into re-signing our current young players and we have a shot at adding one very good player. Smith would be a player who makes sense for us to consider. Three years and $37.5M is the type of deal that would help us. It expires after the 2012-13 season, which is just in time for us to extend Collison and Hansborough, and one year before Paul George. It makes a lot of sense instead of signing a free agent next summer through 2015-16 (5 years), which is beyond all of our current rookie deals.

                I would love for this to be the move that we make to improve this team. I would love our front court rotation and it gives more minutes to Rush and George. Our team defense would improve immensely as well.
                Last edited by pacergod2; 11-02-2010, 10:52 AM.
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                • #9
                  Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

                  he wouldn't be my first choice but i wouldn't complain if we get him.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

                    another PF means either Hansbrough or McRoberts ride the pine significantly or are traded.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

                      Is Smith still a headcase?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

                        Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                        We could do worse with our cap space but I'd he wouldn't be in my top 5 choices. I'd like us to use one of our expiring contracts for a pf that is more of a 4/5 then a 3/4.
                        I agree with you!

                        I considered Josh Smith earlier yesterday when I first read the above. I have two questions. One, How would Josh Smith fit into our team chemistry? Does he have an attitude? We already have Lance and we don't need to baby sit more than one player.

                        Two, and more important. Comparing us to Atlanta after we got Smith I don't see how we would be much better than Atlanta is now, if any. The Pacers would probably have to mature a bit together to get as good as Atlanta is now. I think we would be better, but how soon? And would we be good enough? I don't think Atlanta is is good enough.

                        I think we need another stud at the 4/5 to be really good, so why use up our expirings and money on Smith? We want to be able to play for the championship and we are still a few years away even if we got another stud right now.

                        I think we have about a year and a half to find this stud. We would have this years trade deadline, this summer, and next years trade deadline to do so. That is if there's no lock out. After that our young guys will start needing new contracts and will eat up our money.

                        So I want to wait and see what becomes available. I want someone better than Smith.

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                          Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

                          If we had Josh, I think we'd instantly be better than Atlanta, particularly in the long-term. ATL has Horford at the 5 spot, would slide him over and have Pachulia at the 5 or go small and have Marvin at the 4 and Johnson and Crawford at the 2/3 spots. They've got Bibby at the 1 and Teague backing him up.

                          Hibbert>Pachulia (now)
                          DC2> Bibby/Teague (future... maybe now)

                          I'm just not sure how Josh would fit with the team chemistry wise. He's not struck me as a hard worker.

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                            Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

                            Originally posted by nerveghost View Post
                            another PF means either Hansbrough or McRoberts ride the pine significantly or are traded.

                            And? We are talking about a power forward who is looked at as the best defender not named dwight howard.

                            He scores, rebounds, defends, runs the break. We would have one of the most athletic teams in the nba.


                            They will probably want one of our young players back. Give them Tyler so this debate can die.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Hawks Could Shop Smith?

                              If its cap space that Hawks are looking for, we could definitely help them there

                              But how would Josh Smith fit in with our chior boys???

                              I wonder if something like this would work http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=32mwgxq
                              Last edited by MillerTime; 11-02-2010, 12:46 PM.
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